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David__77

(23,598 posts)
15. Yes, they will.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:50 PM
Apr 2019

I see this thing as a sort of potential trap, or set of potential traps:

- "Going after" Flores. I think that Flores' narrative may strike many people as over the top. While I can understand that it may be a relatively easy matter to criticize her narrative or background, doing so, in my opinion, may occur to people as harsh or insensitive.
- Waging a general campaign against "me too." I think that many people think something along the lines of "me too has gone too far," and might welcome statements that invalidate the concept of "believe women" as a general practice. While I think that might be a reasonable position to assert, doing so without a lot of clarity and thought might stir up a big ideological debate that might not lead to a favorable conclusion in this election cycle.
- Attributing Flores' actions to others (Sanders, for instance). This is another way of "going after" Flores - attempting to impeach her statements and imply that she lacked self-determination in making her statements.

She asserted that he touched her shoulders and kissed her head, and she added some words about her experience. She asserted that Biden was responsible for her experience. Her description of what Biden did doesn't strike me as problematic to his ability to be president.

Personally I don't like the idea of society establishing consensus that no one should be touched without verbally affirming consent first. I also don't like the idea of people being surprised and uncomfortable in response to being touched. I hope that people can achieve a lot of intuition and empathy in practice, which might prevent a lot of trouble.

Also, I like Biden. I think he would make a good president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
Echoes of the worst part of Bill Clinton's defense: JaneQPublic Apr 2019 #1
I believe she is doing a huge disservice to the me too movement blue cat Apr 2019 #2
agree. barbtries Apr 2019 #8
me too... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #19
And.. when biden was there boosting her campaign... where were the complaints? Self serving Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #27
Those were my exact thoughts.. Cha Apr 2019 #24
What photos I have posted is not attacking Ms. Flores................ ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #3
When Joe is destroyed they will start again on Kamala, then Liz, etc. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #4
Here was Joe Biden's response still_one Apr 2019 #6
Of course you did. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #17
She no longer supports Bernie? That's news to me. comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #21
Is it? hedda_foil Apr 2019 #22
'the endless brouhaha over this notascandal nothingburger has become maddening' comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #23
Criticizing her isn't required to see her assertions as not disqualifying to Biden's campaign. David__77 Apr 2019 #5
I agree, and in the end it will be the voters that will decide still_one Apr 2019 #7
Yes, they will. David__77 Apr 2019 #15
Exactly. Put the allegations in reasonable context unblock Apr 2019 #10
You are now the arbiter of "correctness"? lark Apr 2019 #9
Ooh, posting an op gets me an impressive title? Who knew? unblock Apr 2019 #11
Flores knew contemporaneously about the harassment namahage Apr 2019 #13
She didn't have to do this publicly, but she did. ucrdem Apr 2019 #12
She is sent to take out Biden. Won't work. She is a Sanders surrogate sent by Sirota. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #18
I disagree; a BS claim is a BS claim, and it has to be called out LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #14
What do you define as "attacking"? Vinnie From Indy Apr 2019 #16
Yes PDittie Apr 2019 #35
She shouldn't use me too for political reasons. I hope she comes to understand Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #20
Lucy Flores is a campaign operative for Bernie Sanders BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #25
And many will ask, "why do these women not come forward?". eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #26
it's unreal seeing people here doing exactly what they'd flip out if republicans did it. unblock Apr 2019 #29
Very true. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #37
at least it recognizes that the woman has her own perspective. unblock Apr 2019 #38
Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39
That's rather unfair treestar Apr 2019 #28
there are many ways to *defend* him without *attacking* her. unblock Apr 2019 #30
No. The last time we let allegations go unchallenged, we lost a great Senator LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #32
It doesn't work that way.. here I am calling out Flores.. Cha Apr 2019 #31
It's totally unnecessary loyalsister Apr 2019 #33
Basic decency is accepting a compassionate gesture in the spirit it was intended, and LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #34
Yeah loyalsister Apr 2019 #36
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