Democratic Primaries

Perrenial Voter

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19. This a pretty minor incident, in my view...

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:08 PM

Apr 2019

Not even up to the level of the Franken behavior, which I did not think was of a level to disqualify him. I thought he was someone who was sacrificed for the good of the party, and did that voluntarily, so that there could be no mistaking the party's position on sexual harassment.

It's a dicey issue, however, because people do misunderstand cues and gestures all the time, and such misunderstandings ought not to lead to accusations, especially after the initial shock. And yet, such sexual harassment can begin with just those kinds of gestures, and so someone who has experienced harassment might well over-react. And that ought to be taken in stride, too.

Rather than hearing about Biden's hair smelling habits, I'd like to know where he stands on a Green New Deal, raising taxes on billionaires, a higher minimum wage, and some of the financial reforms that Elizabeth Warren is proposing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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I will NOT suffer the Al Frankening of Joe Biden...a rant *UPDATED* [View all] Baltimike Apr 2019 OP

I'm a woman and former rape counselor and feel exactly the same. lark Apr 2019 #1

it's bullshit and it marginalizes REAL victims nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #2

Totally! lark Apr 2019 #36

Exactly! +1,000!!! EOM TruckFump Apr 2019 #37

As a rape victim Mossfern Apr 2019 #38

But "Dems [slowly kissing] each other in the back" of the head is okay?! I see... a lotta women will InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #8

Where did you get that totally wrong statement? lark Apr 2019 #12

That's EXACTLY what Flores reported... Warren, Castro, Klobuchar & Booker believe her... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #18

0 for 2. lark Apr 2019 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #70

Sorry, but, it was a BIG SLOW kiss to the back of the head that Flores reported. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #77

LOL, notice that it was your story that changed? lark Apr 2019 #132

That was a slight, unintentional error on my part that I readily admit & corrected.. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #135

Spreading it is more fun than confirming it. snort Apr 2019 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Apr 2019 #47

A SLOW kiss? That's normal? Come on! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #66

I didnt use normal as a descriptor anywhere. CentralMass Apr 2019 #71

Oh okay, didn't mean to imply you did, my bad... I assume then we can AGREE that a "BIG SLOW kiss" InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #73

Thank you. Almost a fantasy like his candidates past essays. -nt. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #60

Well, if you're calling it a "fantasy," and it actually happened, what are you saying? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #72

As LaRk PoinTed ouT, YoUr FanTaSy iSn'T WhAt aCtuaLly HaPpNned. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author dogman Apr 2019 #175

oMg, tHaT wAs HyStErIcAl! (nT) ehrnst Apr 2019 #193

He came up from behind and it was a "big slow kiss." Where did you get your wrong statement? pnwmom Apr 2019 #167

You sound like you are getting ready to write a Brazile by the Fireplace story. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #13

Not women who know what sexual assault is and don't want to see a decent man taken down with Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #14

I didn't know the #MeToo movement is now restricted to sexual assault... when was it redefined?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #79

Nobody's saying (that I've seen) that they don't believe her. Just that it's not worth the fuss. n LAS14 Apr 2019 #88

Where have you been?!?! A LOT of people are saying Lucy Flores is a liar with a political agenda. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

What does she define a "slow kiss" as? HelenWheels Apr 2019 #133

Have no idea... a fair question. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #134

It was the back of the head on Friday, after the height difference was noticed.... George II Apr 2019 #162

She isn't a Sanders surrogate -- she says she hasn't endorsed anyone yet. pnwmom Apr 2019 #168

Don't forget, David Sirota said a month or two after he started working for Sanders.... George II Apr 2019 #186

Yes, I'm not sure I believe her in that treestar Apr 2019 #217

i agree with the both of you. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #24

I admire Warren and Booker... and now Castro and Klobuchar for saying #MeToo and InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #86

And it works to destroy all our candidates like you now saying two of them are maybe off Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #3

The number of candidates who now believe and support Flores in coming forward I think is up to five. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #87

That all believe her? Why? Because when Joe steps demosincebirth Apr 2019 #103

So, you're sayin just because Joe's a top contender for the nomination, they're all wrong?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #113

Cynical, no. Right yes demosincebirth Apr 2019 #140

Guess we'll just have to disagree. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #142

ONE candidate ONE person is sending out HIT TEAMS on all democratic candidates Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #144

We better stop this shit or we may be looking at another four years with the Orange Glob. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #145

THEY better stop, you mean Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #146

You're right, but I bit the hook, too. Can't help it. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #148

This is FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE and here we sit UNABLE to call out who is doing this Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #149

And we know exactly who is doing this. xmas74 Apr 2019 #161

I have PLEADED with the gods to WAKE UP to what is going on, but no dice Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #178

I stepped away from here in 2016. xmas74 Apr 2019 #192

Joe Biden is a honestly decent human being Gothmog Apr 2019 #196

Shame on them..... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #4

Chris Coon's daughter is clearly uncomfortable. Demit Apr 2019 #20

I don't care. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #23

I do...we need to stand with women who bravely come forward. I'm glad to see 5 Democratic candidates InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #92

I've stated my opinion as to what is happening here. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #125

I don't care. shanny Apr 2019 #179

Actually, that poster is wrong.. it's not "clearly".. Cha Apr 2019 #116

Thank you. nt cwydro Apr 2019 #199

"clearly" ... oh give me a break. how do you know. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #25

She's leaning away from him. And that is a rather pained smile. Demit Apr 2019 #42

False treestar Apr 2019 #50

Ok, so he's not a stranger. And you're right again. Teen girls don't like when old men touch them. Demit Apr 2019 #80

How does Joe not know this?! If this was Bernie, you'd see post after post InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #98

Coons, D-Del., spoke to the Washington Post on Saturday about a photo of his daughter at his 2015.. Cha Apr 2019 #115

It is not the way you are thinking of, but just that they are too cool treestar Apr 2019 #124

There's no clearly about it. According to Coons... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #109

Mahalo for that, Kahuna! #20 needs to Cha Apr 2019 #114

Hey Baby! Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #122

.. Cha Apr 2019 #123

Not according to her father TruckFump Apr 2019 #45

Forgive me if I don't give 100% credence to a father presuming to speak for what his daughter felt. Demit Apr 2019 #49

He said all of his kids treestar Apr 2019 #52

That's not exactly proof that they like it when he leans in close like that. Demit Apr 2019 #62

Oh yes, please keep digging.. Cha Apr 2019 #117

Well at least people can quit the "stranger" thing treestar Apr 2019 #126

Sean?! Sean is that you??? bullsnarfle Apr 2019 #180

I am not insinuating that he is a pedophile. Demit Apr 2019 #183

So link me to post where she said she felt uncomfortable. TruckFump Apr 2019 #58

Seriously!! The look on the daughter's face says it all!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #97

Oh! Oh! Oh! Now a father can't speak for his daughter???... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #110

Coons literally came out and said his daughter was fine. nolabear Apr 2019 #74

I don't care if he said it figuratively. He's presuming to speak for her. Demit Apr 2019 #84

And how do you know what she's feeling? Butterflylady Apr 2019 #93

You're right, I don't. But I look at that picture, and also I remember being a young girl. Demit Apr 2019 #100

If you're determined to think one way I can't sway you. nolabear Apr 2019 #94

He can observe that they have known each other all her life treestar Apr 2019 #128

Seems obvious to me... why doesn't Joe just come out and admit he shouldn't be doing that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #90

Chris Coons addressed that picture... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #106

She clearly looks amused to me. bitterross Apr 2019 #151

Wrong. You believed what you wanted to believe. GemDigger Apr 2019 #152

Even if they are smiling? treestar Apr 2019 #171

There's a video clip of the child leaning away when he kisses her. Demit Apr 2019 #173

Then do they ever? treestar Apr 2019 #218

They must all be really great actors! PatSeg Apr 2019 #21

I have noticed before treestar Apr 2019 #55

I stand with Joe mainstreetonce Apr 2019 #5

"uncomfortable" because a man sniffed her hair. Did she Really HEAR the sniff??? I. DOUBT. IT. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #26

If you don't want your hair sniffed mainstreetonce Apr 2019 #32

Right on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #40

I like this. kag Apr 2019 #59

Used to be a compliment to tell someone they smell nice. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #127

That's SO funny! Yeah, let's disparage & ridicule women like Flores who bravely come forward...nice! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #150

Joe did not just sniff her hair, as I'm sure you know... he gave Flores a BIG, LONG kiss to the back InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #136

Here's hoping men stop coming up behind women and smelling their hair. Demit Apr 2019 #6

Sad to say I see no evidence of that happening. /nt tonedevil Apr 2019 #9

I think we should be able to agree with this statement. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #15

People need to have better situational awareness IronLionZion Apr 2019 #41

Thanks. I think the default should be don't touch someone until you know them. Demit Apr 2019 #46

"If in doubt, don't." is a good standard to live by IronLionZion Apr 2019 #53

Did she not know he treestar Apr 2019 #57

Hear, hear!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #96

There you go. shanny Apr 2019 #182

I agree completely with your posts. athena Apr 2019 #210

What you said!!!! Little Star Apr 2019 #7

"I have no reason not to believe her (Flores)" -Klobuchar. LexVegas Apr 2019 #10

What reason does she have to believe her? Little Star Apr 2019 #11

Especially since she is a Sanders supporter and board member of OR. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #16

Help me please Traildogbob Apr 2019 #48

Amy is absolutely right... that doesn't mean Joe is necessarily wrong here InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #95

Be sure to drop Inslee, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Klobuchar..... brooklynite Apr 2019 #17

And Castro. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #155

This a pretty minor incident, in my view... Perrenial Voter Apr 2019 #19

"Franken me once, shame on me. Franken me twice.... no." - Claude Taylor EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #22

They had that photo of Franken videohead5 Apr 2019 #27

A picture may be worth a thousand words, but luvtheGWN Apr 2019 #43

+1 Little Star Apr 2019 #61

This. All day long. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #154

Trump is the ultimate beneficiary. He can turn his misogynistic actions into whataboutism in 2020. jalan48 Apr 2019 #28

+1,000,000 nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #30

I'm so tired of Democrats feeling as if they must walk on eggshells oasis Apr 2019 #31

For the dems it never ends. We walk around with a shot gun demosincebirth Apr 2019 #111

Didn't Sanders do the same? Heard him do that up to him Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #33

I think what happened is that whoever is behind this - The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #35

+1 geardaddy Apr 2019 #102

interesting how sideways attacks are surmised SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2019 #39

Totally agree. Why don't people seem to know the difference between affecton and assault? pdsimdars Apr 2019 #44

The GOPutin know he'll beat and shread the traitorous socks off Trump. C Moon Apr 2019 #51

this. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #187

Finally! Good post benld74 Apr 2019 #54

me too!! onetexan Apr 2019 #56

omg corey fell for it too? samnsara Apr 2019 #63

The usual suspects advocating the usual candidate disagree with you. NBachers Apr 2019 #64

The usual suspects, advocating for the usual candidate, disagree with you. NBachers Apr 2019 #65

My conservative friends are laughing their asses off at this. The Mouth Apr 2019 #67

Agree wholeheartedly. infullview Apr 2019 #68

IMO, the Democratic Party needs to invest in DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #69

the media and democrats are falling for it big time. unblock Apr 2019 #76

Franken and Biden are different individuals Politicub Apr 2019 #78

But the situation is the same; innocent behavior being twisted and portrayed as predatory and vile LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #83

+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #130

YAAAAAS!!!!!! nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #188

Ditto, I'm withy you Baltimike. iluvtennis Apr 2019 #81

Governor Ralph Northam, and Lieutenant Gov. Justin Fairfax of VA did it right LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #82

Has anyone spotted the Russian Trolls yet? Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #85

Maybe Warren IS considering the facts... believing Flores is just a part of those facts. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #99

You are not waiting for anything. You are working this thread for all it's worth. Might you ... Persondem Apr 2019 #143

I do love Bernie, true... but that has ZIP to with my views on Joe. And, yes, I AM willing to wait InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #147

Please don't reduce this to a "did we believe Flores." She doesn't have to be lying.... LAS14 Apr 2019 #89

Biden Advisers Think Bernie Sanders Is Behind The Allegations Of Inappropriate Behavior Gothmog Apr 2019 #101

I'm not going to take credit..but Saturday I did tweet to Biden that Bernie's Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #104

Good on you, Kahuna! Cha Apr 2019 #118

That point has been discussed hours ago. They have no more basis in fact than the headline trolls do Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #105

sanders hired a guy named Sirota who specializes in these type of attacks Gothmog Apr 2019 #112

That makes this a slam dunk that Sirota is the only player? Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #141

That story isn't accurate. They do think Team Bernie is ratf*cking..but Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #119

You realize this is only beginning, right? sfwriter Apr 2019 #107

True, it will be brought up. But Biden did say he didn't vote for Thomas... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #120

I am on Biden's side exboyfil Apr 2019 #108

Same here. And I'm sick of the smears by someone's campaign. we can do it Apr 2019 #121

YOU ARE SO VERY RIGHT! Desert grandma Apr 2019 #129

I'm with you all the way on this one. democratisphere Apr 2019 #131

Thank You for Posting This Baltimike. I want Dem Voters to wake the f**k up too. Indykatie Apr 2019 #137

Me Too. Oh wait, can I say that ???? eom elfin Apr 2019 #138

I'm with you all the way, Baltimike! Enough! This is without a doubt an attempt to Franken him. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #139

Maybe Joe should just Mr.Bill Apr 2019 #153

Joe Biden JGug1 Apr 2019 #156

Don't you dare compare Joe Biden to Cha Apr 2019 #157

YES exboyfil Apr 2019 #163

er DonCoquixote Apr 2019 #158

not the Lt Governor's attempted Al Frankening. Baltimike Apr 2019 #160

you mentioned both DonCoquixote Apr 2019 #165

I certainly did Baltimike Apr 2019 #170

you mean when they denied it then offered weaksauce excuses DonCoquixote Apr 2019 #181

I mean when they WELCOMED an investigation and everyone sat the fuck down. Baltimike Apr 2019 #189

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #159

I sure hope there aren't any posters here Cha Apr 2019 #164

I don't think Biden will fold on this. As long KPN Apr 2019 #166

He shouldn't fold. He should simply say, "To anyone I've made uncomfortable, I'm sorry." pnwmom Apr 2019 #169

Agree 100% with everything in your post. LincolnRossiter Apr 2019 #172

K&R Owl Apr 2019 #174

Is touch a human need? DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #176

How many times will Democrats cave into The Wizard Apr 2019 #177

I want to thank these Democrats for self elimination as possible candidates I would vote for. usaf-vet Apr 2019 #184

K&R EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #185

K&R EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #190

I like this statement by Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #191

I liked it too, but the Russian links are crazy. Baltimike Apr 2019 #194

Washington Post-Opinion: After his video, Biden may come out even stronger Gothmog Apr 2019 #195

In Defense of Joe Biden: A Hug When I Needed One Gothmog Apr 2019 #197

WOW & WTH! Why would she "Delete" it?!! Cha Apr 2019 #198

Oh I *know* and there's a lot more on the hit parade... Baltimike Apr 2019 #200

We'd have to be very Cha Apr 2019 #201

Oh and here's a tweet from a REPUBLICAN showing the other one...Flores Baltimike Apr 2019 #202

That link just goes Cha Apr 2019 #203

I know...I dk why it wouldn't let me post the link to the pic... Baltimike Apr 2019 #204

I scrolled down on Cha Apr 2019 #205

Wow, I'm late to this post but glad I saw it. MH1 Apr 2019 #206

And, I'm kicking this.. Thank You! Cha Apr 2019 #211

Early State Democrats Stand With Biden As Touching Scandal Falls Flat Gothmog Apr 2019 #207

Imagine that. Thanks for the link. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #208

They miscalculated on Cha Apr 2019 #209

This so-called scandal/hit job failed Gothmog Apr 2019 #212

I am ever so glad it did. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #213

A woman I hadn't seen in awhile shared some sad news artislife Apr 2019 #214

Absolutely An American Clusterf Apr 2019 #215

Dear Baltimike BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #216