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LongtimeAZDem

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7. In the case of Flores, I doubt her story completely

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:20 PM

Apr 2019

But, more to the point, if you want to be taken seriously as a strong, independent adult, there's stuff you have to learn to deal with.

I've been subjected to many situations where others, both male and female, got too "up close and personal" and that made me uncomfortable. But, since I knew that wasn't their intent, as Flores admits, I let it go.

That's what grownups do; they don't (literally!) make a federal case out of it.

Nearly everyone agrees, even some of those who say Biden went to far, that he does it out of a genuine desire to be caring and compassionate. Both Flores and Lappos specifically state that they didn't believe it was sexual in any way.

So, we're seeing somebody get ratfucked for going over the line with being a nice guy. Enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The controversy over Joe Biden's treatment of women, explained [View all] Uncle Joe Apr 2019 OP

Sanders won't win a general so let's hope he out quick in the primary. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #1

Can't really add anything to that LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #2

Are you suggesting the women that have come forward don't know their own feelings? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #3

In the case of Flores, I doubt her story completely LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #7

What? PatSeg Apr 2019 #18

It was never about sex so much as an invasion of personal space and a resultant feeling Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #19

A "loss of identity power" because of a kiss on the head? Seriously? LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #20

Even an invasive shoulder rub can do it, I remember when D.U. thought this was out of bounds Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #22

DU thought it was treestar Apr 2019 #23

None of the women that have come forward to my knowledge Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #24

That doesn't rate going on all of the pundit shows and saying it disqualifies a candidate LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #25

Who said it disqualifies a candidate? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #26

Flores and Lappos both said Biden shouldn't run because of this LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #29

Do you have a link where they say it disqualifies Joe from running? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #32

Is your Google not working? LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #33

Despite the title and a paragraph in your Flores article, there is no actual quote from her Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #34

I guess you're insinuating that the reporter was lying, but here is the actual quote: LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #35

Did you read your own article? There are no quotes from Lucy stating that Biden should be Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #36

"For me, it (Biden's behavior) is disqualifying." LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #37

I just supplied you with a post wherein Lucy states categorically that she would vote for Biden Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #38

I don't believe that BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #58

Flores said she woulc vote for him if he won the nomination CentralMass Apr 2019 #66

+1 treestar Apr 2019 #45

I can't imagine "identity diminishment" or "loss of personal power" over such a thing treestar Apr 2019 #44

Your opinion is not universal. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #52

I never expect any opinion of mine to be "universal" treestar Apr 2019 #75

+1000 nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #59

That is a very startling assertion. I have to admit I know zero about Flores, except Joe... Hekate Apr 2019 #64

As do I. She was a juvenile offender, and credits her parole officer with helping LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #65

I am confused. Why can Bernie put hands on shoulders give hugs etc and it is okay trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #50

Because he's her "Daddy"? OilemFirchen Apr 2019 #55

... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #60

Because he is not a corporatist oligarch centrist silly treestar Apr 2019 #76

"Identity power"? What the hell is that? Triloon Apr 2019 #106

Sure they do. Flores was coached carefully . As for eskimo kiss Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #28

What do you doubt about her story ? CentralMass Apr 2019 #67

I am good friends with Sarah Slamen, a former sanders campaign worker Gothmog Apr 2019 #41

I believe this to be a sound analysis of the issue, one sided media coverage and how Bernie's Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #42

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #47

"How Bernie's campaign has addressed it"? I don't believe he's explained... George II Apr 2019 #56

sanders met with some but not all of the persons complaining for 15 to 30 minutes Gothmog Apr 2019 #89

There was a lot of grumbling from many who traveled to Washington to "meet him", angry.... George II Apr 2019 #91

The Washington Post is also asking questions about this Gothmog Apr 2019 #100

From the Washington Post-Sanders needs to answer some questions Gothmog Apr 2019 #102

I don't expect any positive news to come from Bezos' newspaper regarding Bernie. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #105

sanders has not correct the sexual abuse issues in his campaign Gothmog Apr 2019 #113

No I am suggesting they are politically motived, liars Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #70

No, I think they are lying for political reasons. This is not a me to thing Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #98

I have seen no one equate this to sexual assault, not the women, none of the candidates, not Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #99

I am not pointing fingers at you but I believe it was presentd by the women involved like a me to Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #101

My reading of their take is just the opposite, they never accused Biden of sexual assault, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #104

It is women accusing a man of bad behavior. Very much like Franken Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #107

God I'm hoping. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #8

+1000 nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #14

This. cwydro Apr 2019 #17

Me too. We could have beat Trump. Now that is endangered. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72

He won't get out quickly. He has money and loyal supporters. marylandblue Apr 2019 #61

He had money last time...it still won't help him win a nomination. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #71

Well based on his previous behavior, he's going to stick around at least through the convention marylandblue Apr 2019 #74

I agree with you. Any who won't vote for our nominee no matter what, were Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #88

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #97

"that any modern HR department would probably warn against" WeekiWater Apr 2019 #4

People are fired for not changing behavior similar to Biden's after they've been warned. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #5

I find that to be an extremely weak position to hold. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #6

I would consider the current discussion over his behavior a warning. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #10

Understood. You don't think there is a real issue. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #11

It has been pointed out to him in the past, and he has changed his behaviour floppyboo Apr 2019 #9

Fortunately you have a lot of choices PatSeg Apr 2019 #21

Yglesias has stated that he voted for Mitt Romney when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002 MineralMan Apr 2019 #12

So? BlueStater Apr 2019 #13

Just a point of information. MineralMan Apr 2019 #15

Sanders has 0% chance of winning the primary BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #16

Not surprised this BS is posted by a supporter of BS (NT) louis c Apr 2019 #27

I want the Democrats to win the White House first and foremost. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #30

I support Democrats. I'm funny like that. louis c Apr 2019 #31

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #40

Somehow, I don't reckon many candidates will bernie59 Apr 2019 #62

I have a subscription to the Washington Post and trust their coverage Gothmog Apr 2019 #63

It's not that I don't like the Washington Post bernie59 Apr 2019 #68

The article contains facts that are not going to go away Gothmog Apr 2019 #83

What does that have to do with their fact checking? ehrnst Apr 2019 #110

Can you remind us what WAPO's "2016 performance" was again? ehrnst Apr 2019 #111

MSNBC reported today that Trump wants to run against Sanders using Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #81

Biden Advisers Think Bernie Sanders Is Behind The Allegations Of Inappropriate Behavior Gothmog Apr 2019 #39

No proof or evidence, perhaps some in Biden's camp are pushing this because they believe Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #43

She is on the board of Our revolution. And we know Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #46

No she is not on the board of Our Revolution. You have been told that many times and Autumn Apr 2019 #49

whatever, she was a Sanders surrogate and on the board. And that is her motivation to attack Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #73

Whatever. Everything you say is suspect to me because you are knowingly Autumn Apr 2019 #77

It is not a lie. She was on the OR board and was a Sanders surrogate in 16. She also knew about Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #79

No one said it was a lie that she WAS on the board, ,that's an established fact. You have been Autumn Apr 2019 #82

I don't believe she ever really left. She had a disagreement with one of the OR Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86

Also, I used the words 'is or was' on the board. After all the campaign denied tha Sirota was Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #80

You used the word is, deliberately, not was. After knowing she wasn't on the board. Autumn Apr 2019 #84

I have used the word was...but I think she is still a sanders supporter and I don't believe Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #85

I believe he/she corrected that in post #73. Now, was she a surrogate for Sanders and was she.... George II Apr 2019 #92

Tell you what George, read post # 46, then read post #49 again and see what she and I Autumn Apr 2019 #93

Tell you what Autumn, read Post #73. If you think it means nothing that's your opinion. George II Apr 2019 #94

Post # 73 means nothing to me so I have no need to read it. It has nothing to do with someone Autumn Apr 2019 #95

LOL-sanders hires people like Sirota for a reason Gothmog Apr 2019 #48

Thanks for posting loyalsister Apr 2019 #51

Not a huge fan of Matt Yglesias PDittie Apr 2019 #69

What is the point of this? George II Apr 2019 #53

Bernie supporters think this is a winning issue for them BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #57

Just the opposite. Regardless if Joe runs or not, I will not switch my vote to Sanders Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #87

Not sure. Skidmore Apr 2019 #114

👀 underpants Apr 2019 #54

it was inevitable that this would become an issue if Biden ran for president. sfwriter Apr 2019 #78

By that logic, Sanders has to go too... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #90

Bernie has apologized, they have also changed the 2020 campaign to be much more diverse. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #103

So has Biden. Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #108

That's true. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #109

I like this statement by Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #96

Washington Post-Opinion: After his video, Biden may come out even stronger Gothmog Apr 2019 #112