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34. Let's not be naive. The word socialism is toxic to quite a few million voters.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:39 PM
Feb 2020

Seems there is history you're not aware of.

Two generations (maybe a generation and a half—boomers and many GenXers) where schooled to fear commies/reds/the USSR, Red China, the domino theory, failed communist collectives, socialists, etc. Many still believe that and they make up quite a large swathe of voters.

I know many who are younger (the 18-35-year-olds you speak of) say that the stigma against socialism has lessened considerably but that may just be among their cohort. There are still millions, millions of voters who detest socialism and that large swathe of voters is not going to vote for Sanders if he gets the nomination—and among those voters, you can bet, are many Democrats, not to mention independents and never-trump republicans, all of whom we need to defeat trump in November.

Do we really want to take the chance that younger voters, who just don't vote as heavily as older ones, will make up for the millions who detest socialism and things imagined about it in their minds?

That's not a good bet. Let's make the election a referendum on trump's criminality, not one on socialism and Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Yeah.. and so am I Cha Feb 2020 #1
Bloomberg has a record of actual accomplishments. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #2
Bloomberg has a record of supporting Republicans TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #3
He doesn't have a record of trashing the Democratic party. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #4
No, he just has a record of telling people to vote for the Republican over a Democrat TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #5
To the same extent as Bernie Trashing Democrats? TomCADem Feb 2020 #6
***!!!**** LakeArenal Feb 2020 #31
This! nt liskddksil Feb 2020 #12
Or he flips from being a Democrat to being a Republican not_the_one Feb 2020 #35
In what world is supporting George Bush over John Kerry not "trashing the Democratic Party"? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #13
The Bloomberg team will target those same voters. honest.abe Feb 2020 #9
One "accomplishment" was to aggressively stomp on AA and Latino's civil rights through emmaverybo Feb 2020 #54
Kick Cha Feb 2020 #7
Big problem on the horizon flamingdem Feb 2020 #8
Nobody watched it because of Trump's lies rockfordfile Feb 2020 #10
Trump fans watched flamingdem Feb 2020 #11
by definition, not swing voters. nt eilen Feb 2020 #24
Trump fans didn't win him the last election Russian backed 3rd parties did uponit7771 Feb 2020 #57
And? That doesn't work on most people OliverQ Feb 2020 #27
Let's not be naive. The word socialism is toxic to quite a few million voters. brush Feb 2020 #34
If it's Bernie we lose. djg21 Feb 2020 #47
That mostly are heavy leaning republican, turn out election first then reach out uponit7771 Feb 2020 #58
And Trump is good at branding... Historic NY Feb 2020 #51
Some people think socialism is keen and will help us win the Presidency. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #14
Swing voters MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #15
The electorate looks for change in their next president. denem Feb 2020 #16
sanders is a weak candidate who would be easy to beat Gothmog Feb 2020 #17
I love Sanders on the issues hangaleft Feb 2020 #18
Agreed-trump would love o run against socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #21
You do not know that. OliverQ Feb 2020 #29
I agree with Rick Wilson.... Pachamama Feb 2020 #59
Forget talking about socialism marlakay Feb 2020 #19
Someone Should Tell Bernie That Since He Spends So Much Time... TomCADem Feb 2020 #20
+1 Cha Feb 2020 #23
trump will make the campaign about socialism and will beat sanders easily Gothmog Feb 2020 #22
I'd vote for Bernie if I had to. djg21 Feb 2020 #48
AMJOY-sanders would lose Florida due to socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #25
I value her opinion. mia Feb 2020 #45
I prefer Bloomberg a million times over Sanders. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #26
I think Bloomberg would crush Trump. aeromanKC Feb 2020 #30
Yep. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #32
Bloomberg has the best ads! octoberlib Feb 2020 #40
+10000000 Pachamama Feb 2020 #62
K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #28
Does this look familiar? Gothmog Feb 2020 #33
McGovern . Not that I disagree with the platform but it's all about winning. octoberlib Feb 2020 #39
socialism" is a red flag for Republicans and Republican-leaners Gothmog Feb 2020 #36
If there are people rownesheck Feb 2020 #37
Swing voters are moderates , that's why. octoberlib Feb 2020 #38
I am skeptical of Sanders chances of not being completely blown out in a route of epic proportions Zolorp Feb 2020 #41
Nobody is going to get blown out Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #42
Nothing you can say will convince me Sanders will not be blown out in the worst rout since '84 Zolorp Feb 2020 #43
I do not believe that. Zolorp Feb 2020 #64
I agree - and we will lose the exact same states we lost before gollygee Feb 2020 #65
I think it will be worse. Zolorp Feb 2020 #66
I am moderate True Blue American Feb 2020 #56
K! Cha Feb 2020 #44
"But..but, Trump is a liar. he's gonna say bad things about all Democrats". oasis Feb 2020 #46
Trump will beat sanders badly Gothmog Feb 2020 #49
Thank you for that, Goth.. Cha Feb 2020 #50
LOL---------------------- Infinity fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #52
The Revolution Will Not Be Suburbanized RandySF Feb 2020 #53
I am too. I only vote for DEMOCRATS, not Socialists. (I'm not alone.) NurseJackie Feb 2020 #55
I believe it is more than sing voters, and if Sanders is our nominee, he will be a disaster in the still_one Feb 2020 #60
Sadly, socialism has been framed and defined as being evil, bad and the same as Communism Pachamama Feb 2020 #61
I live in west Michigan and I know swing voters gollygee Feb 2020 #63
People will be weary of a socialist NYMinute Feb 2020 #67
I think there a several big problems with the idea of a Sanders nomination Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #68
K Cha Feb 2020 #69
Poll: Americans Won't Vote for a Socialist Gothmog Feb 2020 #70
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