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In reply to the discussion: The controversy over Joe Biden's treatment of women, explained [View all]Uncle Joe
(65,096 posts)19. It was never about sex so much as an invasion of personal space and a resultant feeling
of a loss of identity power.
"But, more to the point, if you want to be taken seriously as a strong, independent adult, there's stuff you have to learn to deal with."
That's one way to do it, 'go along to get along' or you can work to change those power dynamics as the lady in the article below is doing.
Why Men Feel As If They Own Women's Space And How To Take It Back
(snip)
I was sitting in class and Cam was sitting on the complete opposite side. I heard rumors about him being very pushy and forward, but hadn't experienced it myself, so I kept a pretty neutral opinion of him, until my professors assigned us partners to work with. I got assigned to work with Cam for the rest of the class. So I looked to see if he was going to come to me (I had space next to me) but he didn't move, so I got up to got to him (nbd). I sit next to him and begin to start on our assignment, to which he barely participates in. And honestly, that worked for me because I am an independent worker anyways.
So, there I am sitting there doing the assignment when he moves his arm onto my desk. I was perplexed, but studies show men feel entitled to more space than women so I brushed it off. His arm wasn't really bothering me...except it was. Why are you on my desk, in my space? I thought it to be very rude and scooched my desk over, trying to be subtle. Nope, it did nothing. Then he begins to stare at me, odd behavior yes, but not a crime. I brush my hair (which luckily is super thick and long) over my shoulder to hide my face. He then has the audacity to move my hair out of my face. He touched my hair without permission. He was on my desk without permission. He begins hitting on me, even with all my fuck off signals. When he touched my hair I told him not to touch me. He was like, "but you're so pretty, I just wanted to see you."
(snip)
Men feel as though they have more rights over my space (a woman's space) than I do. It's crazy. You can't even always blame the man because it's been conditioned into them. I have to tell my boyfriend ALL the time that he's being domineering. He gets so upset and apologizes. He doesn't even realize it until I point it out though. Cam wouldn't care if I pointed it out. My boyfriend does because he says it helps him grow and learn as a person and as a man, but not all men care about learning and women's experience.
(snip)
And neither should you, because women are equal and deserve just as much as men, and that includes space.
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/personal-space-invaded
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Are you suggesting the women that have come forward don't know their own feelings?
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#3
It was never about sex so much as an invasion of personal space and a resultant feeling
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#19
Even an invasive shoulder rub can do it, I remember when D.U. thought this was out of bounds
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#22
That doesn't rate going on all of the pundit shows and saying it disqualifies a candidate
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#25
Despite the title and a paragraph in your Flores article, there is no actual quote from her
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#34
I guess you're insinuating that the reporter was lying, but here is the actual quote:
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#35
Did you read your own article? There are no quotes from Lucy stating that Biden should be
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#36
I just supplied you with a post wherein Lucy states categorically that she would vote for Biden
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#38
I can't imagine "identity diminishment" or "loss of personal power" over such a thing
treestar
Apr 2019
#44
That is a very startling assertion. I have to admit I know zero about Flores, except Joe...
Hekate
Apr 2019
#64
As do I. She was a juvenile offender, and credits her parole officer with helping
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#65
I am confused. Why can Bernie put hands on shoulders give hugs etc and it is okay
trueblue2007
Apr 2019
#50
I believe this to be a sound analysis of the issue, one sided media coverage and how Bernie's
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#42
sanders met with some but not all of the persons complaining for 15 to 30 minutes
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#89
There was a lot of grumbling from many who traveled to Washington to "meet him", angry....
George II
Apr 2019
#91
I don't expect any positive news to come from Bezos' newspaper regarding Bernie.
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#105
I have seen no one equate this to sexual assault, not the women, none of the candidates, not
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#99
I am not pointing fingers at you but I believe it was presentd by the women involved like a me to
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#101
My reading of their take is just the opposite, they never accused Biden of sexual assault,
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#104
Well based on his previous behavior, he's going to stick around at least through the convention
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#74
People are fired for not changing behavior similar to Biden's after they've been warned.
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2019
#5
Yglesias has stated that he voted for Mitt Romney when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002
MineralMan
Apr 2019
#12
Biden Advisers Think Bernie Sanders Is Behind The Allegations Of Inappropriate Behavior
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#39
No proof or evidence, perhaps some in Biden's camp are pushing this because they believe
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#43
No she is not on the board of Our Revolution. You have been told that many times and
Autumn
Apr 2019
#49
whatever, she was a Sanders surrogate and on the board. And that is her motivation to attack
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#73
It is not a lie. She was on the OR board and was a Sanders surrogate in 16. She also knew about
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#79
No one said it was a lie that she WAS on the board, ,that's an established fact. You have been
Autumn
Apr 2019
#82
I don't believe she ever really left. She had a disagreement with one of the OR
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#86
Also, I used the words 'is or was' on the board. After all the campaign denied tha Sirota was
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#80
You used the word is, deliberately, not was. After knowing she wasn't on the board.
Autumn
Apr 2019
#84
I have used the word was...but I think she is still a sanders supporter and I don't believe
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#85
I believe he/she corrected that in post #73. Now, was she a surrogate for Sanders and was she....
George II
Apr 2019
#92
Tell you what George, read post # 46, then read post #49 again and see what she and I
Autumn
Apr 2019
#93
Tell you what Autumn, read Post #73. If you think it means nothing that's your opinion.
George II
Apr 2019
#94
Post # 73 means nothing to me so I have no need to read it. It has nothing to do with someone
Autumn
Apr 2019
#95
Just the opposite. Regardless if Joe runs or not, I will not switch my vote to Sanders
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#87
Bernie has apologized, they have also changed the 2020 campaign to be much more diverse.
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#103