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The Velveteen Ocelot

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35. I think what happened is that whoever is behind this -

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:48 PM

Apr 2019

another candidate or staff of a candidate, the GOP, individuals with their own motives, whoever - is trying to do a Karl Rove on Biden, which is to turn a strength into a weakness. Of all the candidates Biden probably gives the strongest impression of being a really decent, warm, honest person (which isn't to say some other candidates don't seem that way; just that Biden has such a long-standing nice-guy image). So, if you want to take him down, you want to ruin that image. What's the best way to puncture that image? Make him out to be a perv with wandering hands instead of a sweet guy who just likes to hug people (like Al Franken). Tack the whole thing disingenuously to the #MeToo movement and, you hope, there goes some of your strongest competition.

I am still steaming over the sexual swiftboating of my excellent Senator, Al Franken, and although I don't know whether Biden would be my first choice when the primaries get going I sure don't want to see him get the same treatment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I will NOT suffer the Al Frankening of Joe Biden...a rant *UPDATED* [View all] Baltimike Apr 2019 OP

I'm a woman and former rape counselor and feel exactly the same. lark Apr 2019 #1

it's bullshit and it marginalizes REAL victims nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #2

Totally! lark Apr 2019 #36

Exactly! +1,000!!! EOM TruckFump Apr 2019 #37

As a rape victim Mossfern Apr 2019 #38

But "Dems [slowly kissing] each other in the back" of the head is okay?! I see... a lotta women will InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #8

Where did you get that totally wrong statement? lark Apr 2019 #12

That's EXACTLY what Flores reported... Warren, Castro, Klobuchar & Booker believe her... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #18

0 for 2. lark Apr 2019 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #70

Sorry, but, it was a BIG SLOW kiss to the back of the head that Flores reported. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #77

LOL, notice that it was your story that changed? lark Apr 2019 #132

That was a slight, unintentional error on my part that I readily admit & corrected.. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #135

Spreading it is more fun than confirming it. snort Apr 2019 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Apr 2019 #47

A SLOW kiss? That's normal? Come on! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #66

I didnt use normal as a descriptor anywhere. CentralMass Apr 2019 #71

Oh okay, didn't mean to imply you did, my bad... I assume then we can AGREE that a "BIG SLOW kiss" InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #73

Thank you. Almost a fantasy like his candidates past essays. -nt. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #60

Well, if you're calling it a "fantasy," and it actually happened, what are you saying? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #72

As LaRk PoinTed ouT, YoUr FanTaSy iSn'T WhAt aCtuaLly HaPpNned. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author dogman Apr 2019 #175

oMg, tHaT wAs HyStErIcAl! (nT) ehrnst Apr 2019 #193

He came up from behind and it was a "big slow kiss." Where did you get your wrong statement? pnwmom Apr 2019 #167

You sound like you are getting ready to write a Brazile by the Fireplace story. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #13

Not women who know what sexual assault is and don't want to see a decent man taken down with Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #14

I didn't know the #MeToo movement is now restricted to sexual assault... when was it redefined?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #79

Nobody's saying (that I've seen) that they don't believe her. Just that it's not worth the fuss. n LAS14 Apr 2019 #88

Where have you been?!?! A LOT of people are saying Lucy Flores is a liar with a political agenda. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

What does she define a "slow kiss" as? HelenWheels Apr 2019 #133

Have no idea... a fair question. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #134

It was the back of the head on Friday, after the height difference was noticed.... George II Apr 2019 #162

She isn't a Sanders surrogate -- she says she hasn't endorsed anyone yet. pnwmom Apr 2019 #168

Don't forget, David Sirota said a month or two after he started working for Sanders.... George II Apr 2019 #186

Yes, I'm not sure I believe her in that treestar Apr 2019 #217

i agree with the both of you. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #24

I admire Warren and Booker... and now Castro and Klobuchar for saying #MeToo and InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #86

And it works to destroy all our candidates like you now saying two of them are maybe off Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #3

The number of candidates who now believe and support Flores in coming forward I think is up to five. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #87

That all believe her? Why? Because when Joe steps demosincebirth Apr 2019 #103

So, you're sayin just because Joe's a top contender for the nomination, they're all wrong?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #113

Cynical, no. Right yes demosincebirth Apr 2019 #140

Guess we'll just have to disagree. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #142

ONE candidate ONE person is sending out HIT TEAMS on all democratic candidates Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #144

We better stop this shit or we may be looking at another four years with the Orange Glob. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #145

THEY better stop, you mean Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #146

You're right, but I bit the hook, too. Can't help it. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #148

This is FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE and here we sit UNABLE to call out who is doing this Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #149

And we know exactly who is doing this. xmas74 Apr 2019 #161

I have PLEADED with the gods to WAKE UP to what is going on, but no dice Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #178

I stepped away from here in 2016. xmas74 Apr 2019 #192

Joe Biden is a honestly decent human being Gothmog Apr 2019 #196

Shame on them..... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #4

Chris Coon's daughter is clearly uncomfortable. Demit Apr 2019 #20

I don't care. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #23

I do...we need to stand with women who bravely come forward. I'm glad to see 5 Democratic candidates InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #92

I've stated my opinion as to what is happening here. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #125

I don't care. shanny Apr 2019 #179

Actually, that poster is wrong.. it's not "clearly".. Cha Apr 2019 #116

Thank you. nt cwydro Apr 2019 #199

"clearly" ... oh give me a break. how do you know. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #25

She's leaning away from him. And that is a rather pained smile. Demit Apr 2019 #42

False treestar Apr 2019 #50

Ok, so he's not a stranger. And you're right again. Teen girls don't like when old men touch them. Demit Apr 2019 #80

How does Joe not know this?! If this was Bernie, you'd see post after post InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #98

Coons, D-Del., spoke to the Washington Post on Saturday about a photo of his daughter at his 2015.. Cha Apr 2019 #115

It is not the way you are thinking of, but just that they are too cool treestar Apr 2019 #124

There's no clearly about it. According to Coons... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #109

Mahalo for that, Kahuna! #20 needs to Cha Apr 2019 #114

Hey Baby! Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #122

.. Cha Apr 2019 #123

Not according to her father TruckFump Apr 2019 #45

Forgive me if I don't give 100% credence to a father presuming to speak for what his daughter felt. Demit Apr 2019 #49

He said all of his kids treestar Apr 2019 #52

That's not exactly proof that they like it when he leans in close like that. Demit Apr 2019 #62

Oh yes, please keep digging.. Cha Apr 2019 #117

Well at least people can quit the "stranger" thing treestar Apr 2019 #126

Sean?! Sean is that you??? bullsnarfle Apr 2019 #180

I am not insinuating that he is a pedophile. Demit Apr 2019 #183

So link me to post where she said she felt uncomfortable. TruckFump Apr 2019 #58

Seriously!! The look on the daughter's face says it all!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #97

Oh! Oh! Oh! Now a father can't speak for his daughter???... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #110

Coons literally came out and said his daughter was fine. nolabear Apr 2019 #74

I don't care if he said it figuratively. He's presuming to speak for her. Demit Apr 2019 #84

And how do you know what she's feeling? Butterflylady Apr 2019 #93

You're right, I don't. But I look at that picture, and also I remember being a young girl. Demit Apr 2019 #100

If you're determined to think one way I can't sway you. nolabear Apr 2019 #94

He can observe that they have known each other all her life treestar Apr 2019 #128

Seems obvious to me... why doesn't Joe just come out and admit he shouldn't be doing that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #90

Chris Coons addressed that picture... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #106

She clearly looks amused to me. bitterross Apr 2019 #151

Wrong. You believed what you wanted to believe. GemDigger Apr 2019 #152

Even if they are smiling? treestar Apr 2019 #171

There's a video clip of the child leaning away when he kisses her. Demit Apr 2019 #173

Then do they ever? treestar Apr 2019 #218

They must all be really great actors! PatSeg Apr 2019 #21

I have noticed before treestar Apr 2019 #55

I stand with Joe mainstreetonce Apr 2019 #5

"uncomfortable" because a man sniffed her hair. Did she Really HEAR the sniff??? I. DOUBT. IT. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #26

If you don't want your hair sniffed mainstreetonce Apr 2019 #32

Right on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #40

I like this. kag Apr 2019 #59

Used to be a compliment to tell someone they smell nice. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #127

That's SO funny! Yeah, let's disparage & ridicule women like Flores who bravely come forward...nice! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #150

Joe did not just sniff her hair, as I'm sure you know... he gave Flores a BIG, LONG kiss to the back InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #136

Here's hoping men stop coming up behind women and smelling their hair. Demit Apr 2019 #6

Sad to say I see no evidence of that happening. /nt tonedevil Apr 2019 #9

I think we should be able to agree with this statement. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #15

People need to have better situational awareness IronLionZion Apr 2019 #41

Thanks. I think the default should be don't touch someone until you know them. Demit Apr 2019 #46

"If in doubt, don't." is a good standard to live by IronLionZion Apr 2019 #53

Did she not know he treestar Apr 2019 #57

Hear, hear!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #96

There you go. shanny Apr 2019 #182

I agree completely with your posts. athena Apr 2019 #210

What you said!!!! Little Star Apr 2019 #7

"I have no reason not to believe her (Flores)" -Klobuchar. LexVegas Apr 2019 #10

What reason does she have to believe her? Little Star Apr 2019 #11

Especially since she is a Sanders supporter and board member of OR. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #16

Help me please Traildogbob Apr 2019 #48

Amy is absolutely right... that doesn't mean Joe is necessarily wrong here InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #95

Be sure to drop Inslee, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Klobuchar..... brooklynite Apr 2019 #17

And Castro. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #155

This a pretty minor incident, in my view... Perrenial Voter Apr 2019 #19

"Franken me once, shame on me. Franken me twice.... no." - Claude Taylor EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #22

They had that photo of Franken videohead5 Apr 2019 #27

A picture may be worth a thousand words, but luvtheGWN Apr 2019 #43

+1 Little Star Apr 2019 #61

This. All day long. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #154

Trump is the ultimate beneficiary. He can turn his misogynistic actions into whataboutism in 2020. jalan48 Apr 2019 #28

+1,000,000 nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #30

I'm so tired of Democrats feeling as if they must walk on eggshells oasis Apr 2019 #31

For the dems it never ends. We walk around with a shot gun demosincebirth Apr 2019 #111

Didn't Sanders do the same? Heard him do that up to him Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #33

I think what happened is that whoever is behind this - The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #35

+1 geardaddy Apr 2019 #102

interesting how sideways attacks are surmised SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2019 #39

Totally agree. Why don't people seem to know the difference between affecton and assault? pdsimdars Apr 2019 #44

The GOPutin know he'll beat and shread the traitorous socks off Trump. C Moon Apr 2019 #51

this. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #187

Finally! Good post benld74 Apr 2019 #54

me too!! onetexan Apr 2019 #56

omg corey fell for it too? samnsara Apr 2019 #63

The usual suspects advocating the usual candidate disagree with you. NBachers Apr 2019 #64

The usual suspects, advocating for the usual candidate, disagree with you. NBachers Apr 2019 #65

My conservative friends are laughing their asses off at this. The Mouth Apr 2019 #67

Agree wholeheartedly. infullview Apr 2019 #68

IMO, the Democratic Party needs to invest in DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #69

the media and democrats are falling for it big time. unblock Apr 2019 #76

Franken and Biden are different individuals Politicub Apr 2019 #78

But the situation is the same; innocent behavior being twisted and portrayed as predatory and vile LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #83

+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #130

YAAAAAS!!!!!! nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #188

Ditto, I'm withy you Baltimike. iluvtennis Apr 2019 #81

Governor Ralph Northam, and Lieutenant Gov. Justin Fairfax of VA did it right LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #82

Has anyone spotted the Russian Trolls yet? Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #85

Maybe Warren IS considering the facts... believing Flores is just a part of those facts. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #99

You are not waiting for anything. You are working this thread for all it's worth. Might you ... Persondem Apr 2019 #143

I do love Bernie, true... but that has ZIP to with my views on Joe. And, yes, I AM willing to wait InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #147

Please don't reduce this to a "did we believe Flores." She doesn't have to be lying.... LAS14 Apr 2019 #89

Biden Advisers Think Bernie Sanders Is Behind The Allegations Of Inappropriate Behavior Gothmog Apr 2019 #101

I'm not going to take credit..but Saturday I did tweet to Biden that Bernie's Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #104

Good on you, Kahuna! Cha Apr 2019 #118

That point has been discussed hours ago. They have no more basis in fact than the headline trolls do Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #105

sanders hired a guy named Sirota who specializes in these type of attacks Gothmog Apr 2019 #112

That makes this a slam dunk that Sirota is the only player? Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #141

That story isn't accurate. They do think Team Bernie is ratf*cking..but Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #119

You realize this is only beginning, right? sfwriter Apr 2019 #107

True, it will be brought up. But Biden did say he didn't vote for Thomas... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #120

I am on Biden's side exboyfil Apr 2019 #108

Same here. And I'm sick of the smears by someone's campaign. we can do it Apr 2019 #121

YOU ARE SO VERY RIGHT! Desert grandma Apr 2019 #129

I'm with you all the way on this one. democratisphere Apr 2019 #131

Thank You for Posting This Baltimike. I want Dem Voters to wake the f**k up too. Indykatie Apr 2019 #137

Me Too. Oh wait, can I say that ???? eom elfin Apr 2019 #138

I'm with you all the way, Baltimike! Enough! This is without a doubt an attempt to Franken him. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #139

Maybe Joe should just Mr.Bill Apr 2019 #153

Joe Biden JGug1 Apr 2019 #156

Don't you dare compare Joe Biden to Cha Apr 2019 #157

YES exboyfil Apr 2019 #163

er DonCoquixote Apr 2019 #158

not the Lt Governor's attempted Al Frankening. Baltimike Apr 2019 #160

you mentioned both DonCoquixote Apr 2019 #165

I certainly did Baltimike Apr 2019 #170

you mean when they denied it then offered weaksauce excuses DonCoquixote Apr 2019 #181

I mean when they WELCOMED an investigation and everyone sat the fuck down. Baltimike Apr 2019 #189

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #159

I sure hope there aren't any posters here Cha Apr 2019 #164

I don't think Biden will fold on this. As long KPN Apr 2019 #166

He shouldn't fold. He should simply say, "To anyone I've made uncomfortable, I'm sorry." pnwmom Apr 2019 #169

Agree 100% with everything in your post. LincolnRossiter Apr 2019 #172

K&R Owl Apr 2019 #174

Is touch a human need? DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #176

How many times will Democrats cave into The Wizard Apr 2019 #177

I want to thank these Democrats for self elimination as possible candidates I would vote for. usaf-vet Apr 2019 #184

K&R EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #185

K&R EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #190

I like this statement by Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #191

I liked it too, but the Russian links are crazy. Baltimike Apr 2019 #194

Washington Post-Opinion: After his video, Biden may come out even stronger Gothmog Apr 2019 #195

In Defense of Joe Biden: A Hug When I Needed One Gothmog Apr 2019 #197

WOW & WTH! Why would she "Delete" it?!! Cha Apr 2019 #198

Oh I *know* and there's a lot more on the hit parade... Baltimike Apr 2019 #200

We'd have to be very Cha Apr 2019 #201

Oh and here's a tweet from a REPUBLICAN showing the other one...Flores Baltimike Apr 2019 #202

That link just goes Cha Apr 2019 #203

I know...I dk why it wouldn't let me post the link to the pic... Baltimike Apr 2019 #204

I scrolled down on Cha Apr 2019 #205

Wow, I'm late to this post but glad I saw it. MH1 Apr 2019 #206

And, I'm kicking this.. Thank You! Cha Apr 2019 #211

Early State Democrats Stand With Biden As Touching Scandal Falls Flat Gothmog Apr 2019 #207

Imagine that. Thanks for the link. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #208

They miscalculated on Cha Apr 2019 #209

This so-called scandal/hit job failed Gothmog Apr 2019 #212

I am ever so glad it did. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #213

A woman I hadn't seen in awhile shared some sad news artislife Apr 2019 #214

Absolutely An American Clusterf Apr 2019 #215

Dear Baltimike BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #216