Democratic Primaries

Garrett78

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73. Besides, he's probably better off with Buttigieg winning NH than Sanders doing so.

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:00 AM

Feb 2020

At the same time, he can't finish too far behind Buttigieg. Biden's in a tough spot.

If Sanders wins NH, Buttigieg comes in second and Biden is a distant third (or worse), Nevada will not go well for Biden. Next thing you know, he's struggling to hang on in South Carolina. Snowball effect.

Buttigieg's alienation of Black folks is keeping Biden's hopes alive, which is why Sanders losing New Hampshire would likely benefit Biden. Because if Buttigieg wins NH, the wind is taken out of the Sanders sail and Biden can still win South Carolina with ease. But if Sanders wins NH and then Nevada and Biden hasn't come anywhere close to winning in any of the first three contests, Biden is probably finished.

So, for Biden, his best bet at this point is to finish a fairly close 3rd in NH and for Buttigieg to win NH. That would boost Biden's chances in NV. He could then win SC and possibly have a good Super Tuesday.

But a distant 3rd place finish with Sanders winning and Buttigieg a close 2nd would be really bad for Biden. 4th place for Biden and he's probably done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Biden hits Pete hard in new attack ad [View all] melman Feb 2020 OP

Why is he comparing... Mike Nelson Feb 2020 #1

AP story with some background: highplainsdem Feb 2020 #4

+1. It is a legitimate and important issue dalton99a Feb 2020 #6

Ditto. Ridiculous ad. I like what Mayor Pete did. Peregrine Took Feb 2020 #8

Joe is just being Joe, but goin after Pete like this, instead of on issues, is not a good look. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #78

If it's factual, then it's fair. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #39

See reply 33 below for the South Bend Tribune's article on Pete's legacy, which links to other highplainsdem Feb 2020 #47

OMG This is savage! This Biden Ad just eviscerated Buttigieg. bluewater Feb 2020 #2

How does that ad unify our Party & satisfy the pledge Joe took? He should immediately retract it! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #79

Isn't that just great - another attack ad. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #3

Yep. Bloomberg is looking better and better. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2020 #59

Mike sure is in comparison to Joe, though I would have a difficult time InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #92

Its ads like this that divide Democrats & create bitterness; we cant afford 4 mo yrs of that dipshit InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #80

Stuff like this confirms my decision to switch to Bloomberg Jake Stern Feb 2020 #94

Buttigieg's Free Ride is Over. HeartlandProgressive Feb 2020 #5

What disparaging comments?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #81

Whoa! This is SAVAGE. n/t madibella Feb 2020 #7

Very effective ad. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #9

It's about time people stopped beating around the bush dalton99a Feb 2020 #13

True That calguy Feb 2020 #52

People are crying fowl, but what do they expect? Pete can be considered the front still_one Feb 2020 #76

I love this ad Gothmog Feb 2020 #10

I have to admit I laughed at Pete's accomplishments compared to Biden's. And I LIKE Pete. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #14

To me this ad speaks volumes on the differences between 2 candidates FloridaBlues Feb 2020 #19

Does this ad strike anyone else as full of code-word dog-whistles? Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #11

Really overreaching. Sprucing up city infrastructe is something most mayors do. Biden highplainsdem Feb 2020 #16

You don't think he could have chosen things Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #22

When the South Bend Tribune did a retrospective on Pete's accomplishments last spring, two of the highplainsdem Feb 2020 #33

"And the analysis can be colored -- or distorted -- by political leanings and personal experiences." Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #61

It was NOT a dogwhistle. That accusation is ridiculous. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #72

I'm not the only person on this thread who thinks so. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #74

Btw, the company that did the lighting project quotes a NYT editorial referring to a "rainbow" highplainsdem Feb 2020 #50

Yes FreeState Feb 2020 #30

THIS. BlueWI Feb 2020 #114

The word "decorative" did, yes. David__77 Feb 2020 #37

See reply 33. "Decorative" is the word the South Bend Tribune used. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #38

I can see how some, like yourself, might me offended... it's a bad ad for a whole host of reasons InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #86

I didn't interpret it that way at all. Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #101

Another broken promise from the Biden campaign. Disgusting. denem Feb 2020 #12

and right after Buttigieg did heavy lifting in the debate for Biden by smacking down the Hunter BS Celerity Feb 2020 #15

+ 1000 n/t MBS Feb 2020 #24

Joe must have been so thankful for Adelante Feb 2020 #44

Yeah... great point! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #89

Yep. That ad is obnoxious... SMC22307 Feb 2020 #62

The ad is already backfiring bigtime as it goes viral... bad move on Joe's part! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #90

Was Biden ever in a situation where he had to deal first-hand with a mass shooting... SMC22307 Feb 2020 #102

Excellent points SMC... I expect Joe will backtrack & pull the ad, if he doesn't drop out first. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #103

Agreed, this ad stinks Devil Child Feb 2020 #20

Yep. Desperation by Joe. Beneath him. Sad. Funtatlaguy Feb 2020 #53

The Biden Inevitability was a false premise to begin with MarcA Feb 2020 #71

It sure was!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #93

"Sad" is the right word... I might even go so far as to call it "shameful" InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #87

Is anyone surprised by this?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #110

Disgusting ad n/t Devil Child Feb 2020 #17

Very disappointing AngelicaHora Feb 2020 #18

I agree. I lost a lot of respect for Biden. I am thinking of donating now to Pete... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #28

LOL, I had two friends who said the same thing... and while they were not voting for Joe anyway InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #88

Worrying sign for his campaign if he's going full attack mode Kentonio Feb 2020 #21

Desperation, writ large, denem Feb 2020 #23

Desperation, no doubt, so much for party unity, poisonous ad Baclava Feb 2020 #57

THIS!! But what choice did Joe have, but to go on the attack?! Fortunately, it's backfirin bigtime!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #105

just a flesh wound ? denem Feb 2020 #108

I was thinkin of that Monty Python skit after the results in Iowa... funny coincidence! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #109

I tend to agree. Ive actually defended Biden several times. Not anymore. He lost me. nt Quackers Feb 2020 #26

Especially since Biden's best hope at this point is that Buttigieg wins New Hampshire. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #27

I agree, and might toss in Klobuchar as a beneficiary as well, especially if she comes out on top Celerity Feb 2020 #68

Yes, this questionable move may give Bloomberg the boost he needs for those lookin to replace Joe InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #91

Love It.. Iamaartist Feb 2020 #25

Lol aeromanKC Feb 2020 #34

LOL Iamaartist Feb 2020 #35

Would Pete prefer an ad highlighting his racial record as Mayor? This ad is just fine. Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #29

You mean like Joe's record opposing busing for desegregation? nt Quackers Feb 2020 #36

Oh, my bad - the ad does touch on Pete's racial record. All bases covered and all facts reported. Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #43

That would have made a helluva lot more sense actually BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #42

Hey, I like the pet chips and the bridge lighting and nicer sidewalks BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #31

I don't think those things were trivial for the city of South Bend. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #41

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #69

I love it!! aeromanKC Feb 2020 #32

Wow. Hadn't thought of that comparison, but I see what you mean. Of course Pete is highplainsdem Feb 2020 #40

Unpleasant viewing, but makes the point. Raven123 Feb 2020 #45

Not a good idea. mysteryowl Feb 2020 #46

It was a TERRIBLE idea... the ad's gone viral in a very negative way. It's over for Joe. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #106

Ahh geez a second one.. seriously.. Peacetrain Feb 2020 #48

This is an attack ad melman Feb 2020 #58

It's incredible that we have to debate the fact that Joe's attack ad is an attack ad... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #104

It's a nasty ad. But effective. Drunken Irishman Feb 2020 #49

Excellent ad. I wonder if anyone will get into the gentrification of South Bend, too? George II Feb 2020 #51

they cannot, because it was spun-up bollocks Celerity Feb 2020 #65

Gentrification is an unfair accusation being leveled here. Displacement is also an unfair ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #112

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I'm not a Biden person, but if multiple terms as a US Senator BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #60

This is tame compared to what Trump will do to all of us Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #55

Good. SaschaHM Feb 2020 #56

I didn't watch the debate, but I was reading Buttigieg defended Biden with Hunter. Did you watch? krissey Feb 2020 #97

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark. nt zackymilly Feb 2020 #63

Team Biden better watch it... SMC22307 Feb 2020 #64

Besides, he's probably better off with Buttigieg winning NH than Sanders doing so. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #73

I like Mayor Pete Bayard Feb 2020 #66

You could be right, but that doesnt necessarily justify Joe's unfair ad campaign against Mayor Pete. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #95

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. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #70

What a piece of shit ad. I was ready to stop it when they got to the pets. krissey Feb 2020 #75

I wouldn't call it a "piece of shit ad" as you did, but it certainly is offensive InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #82

I was really bothered by the ad. I am off to bed. Maybe I will not be so bothered in the morning. krissey Feb 2020 #84

I hear ya, it bothers me too, tremendously, and Joe should pull the ad immediately off the air. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #85

Biden's desperate now, duforsure Feb 2020 #77

Yeah, I expect Joe to fall even further in the polls after this move!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #83

Biden "I never had an interest in being a mayor 'cause that's a real job. Jarqui Feb 2020 #96

WOWWWWW!! JOE REALLY DID SAY THAT!! UN-FRACKIN-BELIEVABLE!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #107

Counterproductive and petty. Bad move, Team Biden. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #98

To all the folks who are wailing 'nasty ad'...GIVE IT A REST...you ain't seen nuthin yet. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #99

How does Obama tie into that? Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #100

Why didn't Biden use his time and money to go after Trump in an ad like this? fierywoman Feb 2020 #111

When Joe was on top, he was all about unity and coming together. progressoid Feb 2020 #113