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PatrickforO

(15,391 posts)
33. Gosh, I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:47 PM
Feb 2019

First of all, I find your hyphenated description of people like me a bit offensive.

Second, neoliberalism is what is in charge in Washington now - it is the ideology that we need to deregulate, privatize everything we can, and cut social programs to the bone. Because, hey, we can trust corporations to be good citizens...can't we?

Third, and this question is quite legitimate, why is the US government spending $750 billion on 'defense' better for me and my family than healthcare? Why is a $13 trillion tax cut for billionaires and corporations better for me and my family than healthcare?

Fourth, I do agree with you that the ACA is easily fixable, but if we are going to talk realpolitik here, Medicare will necessarily have to be expanded. There is a bunch of popular pressure, and if we keep it up, we will likely get a couple of good concessions, such as Medicare eligibility dropped to age 55 or even 50, and a public option.

Fifth - and here's where we digress the most - the root cause of the evils in the healthcare system we have today is the primacy of the shareholder doctrine. If you are a CEO of a publicly held company, your ONLY responsibility is to legally maximize shareholder earnings. So, you're going to bust unions, gobble up pensions if you can get away with it, cut corners on worker safety. You are going to work really hard to give your patients the minimum service you can get away with because to actually provide people with the treatment that would benefit them most is in direct conflict with the profit motive and shareholder earnings. And, finally, you are going to foul the environment if you can get away with it, and simply write off the damage as an 'externality' as long as your shareholders aren't hurt by it.

This is why I plug Medicare for All Americans whenever and however I can, and answer objections line by line.

Still, fixing the ACA and expanding Medicare eligibility would be a fantastic step in the right direction here, and I'm certainly not naive enough to believe that we're going to fight down the well-funded corporate lobbies - because hey, we have Citizens United, corporations are people and dollars are free speech.

Now I have one last question for you. And I ask this question in humility and in utter seriousness:

Why do you ridicule the idea of basing social policy on morality?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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No real surprise Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #1
And how many humans? Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #2
Of course..... Ohiogal Feb 2019 #3
The problem is a majority of the country gets insurance through their employer, and likes it Recursion Feb 2019 #6
Then let the employer pay for the MFA. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #17
I believe, but could be wrong Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #21
Just like now. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #23
somewhat Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #27
They love their employer insurance until they don't DBoon Feb 2019 #30
Yep. But they love it now Recursion Feb 2019 #34
has he ever gotten a bill for $14,000 DBoon Feb 2019 #15
It works for the insurance companies ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #24
Well adopting unpopular stances like Medicare for all replacing work place insurance will lead Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #29
I haven't seen the polling you have on MFA ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #35
No not if you ask about replacing workplace insurance which MFA does. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #36
I respectfully disagree ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #37
It won't take much. Just say a dem candidate farted wrong lancelyons Feb 2019 #4
not at all Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #5
Replacing private insurance with universal Medicare is incredibly unpopular Recursion Feb 2019 #7
That's why our candidate needs a proposal to help the people who "need" help MH1 Feb 2019 #13
The only people who it really helps are the 6% of the country on the individual market Recursion Feb 2019 #14
Well there's the 40,000 plus people who die every year due to lack of healthcare. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #18
Many of them have (and even like) their insurance Recursion Feb 2019 #22
The issue is the states who refuse to expand medicaid and who are those states who are Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #26
you don't get enrolled in medicare for all Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #20
This led to our defeat in 94 also. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #28
Ain't that the truth? Politicub Feb 2019 #32
Medicare for all is unpopular leftofcool Feb 2019 #8
Let the employer pay for the MFA Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #19
The AMA tried to stop Medicare, and neither the AMA nor the insurance industry is really c-rational Feb 2019 #9
Red Meat Meet Political Reality! kennetha Feb 2019 #10
Gosh, I'm going to have to disagree with you. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #33
People are so often self-centered and don't give a sh** about others as long as they have what RKP5637 Feb 2019 #11
Guerrilla strategy is required. MH1 Feb 2019 #12
My view is if we don't go after single payer, KPN Feb 2019 #16
This belongs in GD crazytown Feb 2019 #25
I think we need to revise the way we are looking at this. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #31
The American Criminal Enterprise Healthcare System MUST democratisphere Feb 2019 #38
Locking... DonViejo Feb 2019 #39
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