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MineralMan

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20. Union leadership is elected by union members.

Reply to DanTex (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

Feb 2020

I rest my case.

So, your answer is that you are NOT a union member.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously. [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

This was the same excuse used for getting rid of pensions jimfields33 Feb 2020 #1

Thank you for being honest squirecam Feb 2020 #8

So frustrating! jimfields33 Feb 2020 #13

"since corporations won't have to pay for workers' healthcare" The Revolution Feb 2020 #2

You're right about the perception of union workers. DanTex Feb 2020 #4

This. There's no way MFA is even possibly a better deal for the general public mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #28

Employers don't pay as much as most people think MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #59

What the UAW and others care about is not health care, denem Feb 2020 #3

No, they care about having health care. xmas74 Feb 2020 #42

explain to me how we get it passed, even if we have a 53-47 Senate majority and hold the House, Celerity Feb 2020 #5

Whether it passes or not is a different question as to whether it's a good thing. DanTex Feb 2020 #6

If it can't pass it's pretty worthless. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #21

Who would be giving up anything if it doesn't pass??? MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #60

As a union member my concern is quality of care. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #7

M4A does cover everything like that, yes. DanTex Feb 2020 #9

Existing Medicare is not that good. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #32

I'm union. I have a coworker who recently qualified for xmas74 Feb 2020 #43

The Nevada Culinary Union disagrees with your opinion. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #10

Like I said in the OP, I get that union leaders need to play politics and stay DanTex Feb 2020 #12

When I was employed I had great health insurance coverage paid entirely by my employer TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #15

Under M4A, your employer would pay a tax instead of the premium. DanTex Feb 2020 #16

You're right. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #19

damned right, it isn't free aka-chmeee Feb 2020 #49

You think a system... tonedevil Feb 2020 #24

It also depend on where you "were" employed. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #27

As long as... tonedevil Feb 2020 #31

There are thousands of other people that are taken care of as well. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #33

Yes... tonedevil Feb 2020 #35

I assure you that there are plenty of others that do not feel the same as you. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #37

I am quite aware of that. /nt tonedevil Feb 2020 #38

The "I got mine, F everyone else" mindset is strong. MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #61

Well said. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #65

I think it would benefit everyone gollygee Feb 2020 #11

I agree with that entirely. DanTex Feb 2020 #14

Are you a union worker? MineralMan Feb 2020 #17

You're not listening to union workers, you're listening to the leadership. Of one union. DanTex Feb 2020 #18

Union leadership is elected by union members. MineralMan Feb 2020 #20

And part of their job is to play politics, which is what they are doing here. DanTex Feb 2020 #22

I wasn't a union member, TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #23

Yeah, this article discusses that very point: Garrett78 Feb 2020 #53

You find merit... tonedevil Feb 2020 #25

No. I don't. What I said is that those union workers, like most people, MineralMan Feb 2020 #26

I've got mine, Jack. /nt tonedevil Feb 2020 #30

Uh, I'm not a union member. The last time I worked at a W-2 job was MineralMan Feb 2020 #34

It remains... tonedevil Feb 2020 #36

OK, but I'm talking about support for a candidate. MineralMan Feb 2020 #45

I'm sure you are correct... tonedevil Feb 2020 #46

I'm a proud union member. xmas74 Feb 2020 #44

Union membership both sides of this family..and keep your fingers off my health care Peacetrain Feb 2020 #29

The Nevada Culinary Union disagrees Gothmog Feb 2020 #39

Union workers customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #40

You conflate facts and conclusion. They are two separate concepts. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #41

Weak Argument Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #47

People with really good healthcare will have worse healthcare under MFA. There's no way around that. Recursion Feb 2020 #48

If I recall correctly, TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #50

Please. That's only true if the transition is instantaneous. DanTex Feb 2020 #54

Keep in mind several unions opposed a $15 minimum wage, too Recursion Feb 2020 #56

And the transition period doesn't change anything Recursion Feb 2020 #58

Single payer is not nationalized healthcare MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #62

A nationalized system could solve that problem with less pain Recursion Feb 2020 #63

Of course it does, you're talking about short-term problems. DanTex Feb 2020 #66

I'm a union worker. mzmolly Feb 2020 #51

Recommended, DanTex. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #52

Both Sanders and Warren plan to tax corporations as a funding source for MFA. Hoyt Feb 2020 #55

What Unions don't want is worse healthcare access for their members Recursion Feb 2020 #57

Hear! Hear! k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #64