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emmaverybo

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66. The policy was meant to be used as widely and aggressively as possible. It was an expansion and
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:32 PM
Feb 2020

escalation of the original policy in place. Bloomberg knew how it was being carried out, and its impact immediately, in real time. Five million were stopped and frisked. Five million had their civil liberties suspended. He heard the outcry. He knew most stopped had no weapons. He knew the legal argument because he fought it.

Until he decided to run he was defending it and claiming it brought crime down. Overuse was intentional. The goal was mass stops of black and Latino males to search them and seize weapons.

It is important to know how the policy was implemented, what it was intended to do, and what it was in contrast to stopping for probable cause, reasonable suspicion. Indiscriminate use was built in.

This is from an apolitical article in a journal about criminal justice:

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Although SQF predated Bloomberg’s election as mayor, the program ratcheted-up under his leadership far beyond its constitutionally sanctioned contours. Stop-and-frisk has a long history as a policing tactic rooted in particularized, reasonable suspicion that a specific individual is involved in criminal activity.

However, in New York and several other U.S. jurisdictions, this tactic morphed into a widespread, aggressive crime-control strategy. With Bloomberg’s unwavering support, NYPD officers routinely stopped, questioned, and often patted-down hundreds of thousands of people each year—roughly 87 percent of whom were African-American or Latinx—to see if they were carrying weapons or drugs.

The NYPD argued that they applied SQF only when officers had reasonable suspicion that someone was breaking the law, but given their low “hit rates,” such claims seem quite implausible. Only 6 percent of all stops resulted in an arrest and less than 1 percent resulted in the seizure of a firearm.

https://thecrimereport.org/2019/11/26/why-bloombergs-apology-perpetuates-misunderstanding-of-stop-and-frisk/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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If Trump is a racist why do Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro endorse him? IronLionZion Feb 2020 #1
Are you comparing Gregory Meeks to Candace Owewns and Ben Shapiro DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #5
Do you think it possible to endorse a candidate while disagreeing on policy? IronLionZion Feb 2020 #6
Policy disagreements DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #7
Stop and Frisk was only one policy of Mayor Bloomberg. He was mayor for 12 years and accomplished... George II Feb 2020 #9
Good point. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #10
Ummmm, no Bloomberg is stop and frisk NOW and says it was overused vs saying it shouldn't been uponit7771 Feb 2020 #25
Bloomberg's plan to address systematic discrimination. honest.abe Feb 2020 #34
That doesn't answer my question about his stance on stop and frisk now. He says it was overused uponit7771 Feb 2020 #38
He has apologized repeatedly. honest.abe Feb 2020 #48
Saying it was "overused" is not an apology that's an excuse and room to use it in the future and uponit7771 Feb 2020 #50
"However today, I want you to know that I realize back then I was wrong." honest.abe Feb 2020 #56
By itself of maybe but you and I know that statement isn't by itself, it was "overused" uponit7771 Feb 2020 #60
Well, I understand and appreciate what you are saying.. honest.abe Feb 2020 #63
I have a family, I can't afford to trust Bloomberg on this issue uponit7771 Feb 2020 #65
Understand. honest.abe Feb 2020 #71
The policy was meant to be used as widely and aggressively as possible. It was an expansion and emmaverybo Feb 2020 #66
+1, looks like Bloomberg also fought restitution to CP5 for some reason. I don't have uponit7771 Feb 2020 #68
He is not a racist. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #2
Plus, as of this morning Lucy McBath and Gregory Meeks have endorsed him. George II Feb 2020 #3
Bloomberg is one our most viable candidates with a proven track record. democratisphere Feb 2020 #4
That is it. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #12
Really? cherryinpa Feb 2020 #29
Progressive socialism and socialists will NOT win THIS fight; democratisphere Feb 2020 #39
OK cherryinpa Feb 2020 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Feb 2020 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Feb 2020 #41
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Bloomberg is not racist. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #52
He just does and says racist shit ?! America deserves more explanation from him uponit7771 Feb 2020 #69
Because he is a decent guy with good intentions.. honest.abe Feb 2020 #8
Look, I mean those particular comments were only 5 years ago ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #13
I trust the guy that he is who he says he is now. honest.abe Feb 2020 #15
I don't think he is a racist. redstateblues Feb 2020 #16
all evidence to the contrary be damned ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #19
He might not be the most woke candidate but I don't believe he's racist. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #18
wow ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #21
Is racism binary or is it like sexuality? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #30
Not sure if he's racist or not, but ForEverGlades Feb 2020 #33
$$$$ ? ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #11
Are you suggesting Lucy McBath and Gregory Meeks have been bought? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #14
I don't know how fillthy it is ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #17
If he can dump enough money into the district* to re-elect her, I'm all for it.... George II Feb 2020 #27
Bloomberg does have a history of paying people for favorable comments about him. Quackers Feb 2020 #28
Money talks. n/t Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #45
There is a lot of nervousness about Bloomberg amongst the Sanders/Warren wingers redstateblues Feb 2020 #22
If we need a billionaire customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #47
He is not as good at winning as Bloomberg . Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #54
Bloomberg's got his downsides customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #64
Everyone has their downsides... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #76
I think too many people here customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #78
groundswell is a funny word for "huge ad buy" ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #79
Whistling past the graveyard. You made my point redstateblues Feb 2020 #81
Black people endorsed Trump, this isn't saying much uponit7771 Feb 2020 #20
Because "prominent African Americans" are not the ones directly affected by Bloomberg's racist WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #23
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #26
because young, white "progressives" haven't progsplained things to them? wyldwolf Feb 2020 #24
Progsplained HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #37
defined: wyldwolf Feb 2020 #49
Let me finish that dialog for you. CrispyQ Feb 2020 #59
Black folks (really all folks) have had to endorse racists for access to power for a long time. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #31
Yep. We live in a white supremacy. Candidates are going to reflect that. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #35
Yeah, candidates shouldn't celebrate endorsements from Joe Rogan... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #57
Agreed. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #58
I assume POC want to get rid of Trump as much as white people patricia92243 Feb 2020 #32
If it's Bloomberg vs. Trump it's an easy choice for people of any color. hay rick Feb 2020 #36
"I assume POC want to get rid of Trump as much as white people..." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #43
lol - I'd have to give that some thought but you are right. patricia92243 Feb 2020 #46
Makes so much sense.... ForEverGlades Feb 2020 #55
Joe Rogan has proud boys on his show...how many new recruits? Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #61
Who's Joe Rogan? ForEverGlades Feb 2020 #72
A racist homophobic pod caster with a big following who endorsed Sanders and Sanders then Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #74
Gotcha, but ForEverGlades Feb 2020 #80
The point is no candidate will ever be perfect...but all are fine with me if they can get elected... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #86
Because he will beatTrump. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #43
I would say because they want to win. Baked Potato Feb 2020 #53
Al Sharpton Raised a valid point... brooklynite Feb 2020 #67
Go back and watch that segment on Morning Joe. He never called Joe's name - I listened to the same Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #73
Sharpton didn't say that "some" of the others did... brooklynite Feb 2020 #75
Black voters tend to be pragmatic. They know it's probably either Bloomberg or Trump at this point. Squinch Feb 2020 #70
Reverend Al was saying as much on MSNBC. n/t cynatnite Feb 2020 #82
I am not thrilled about the truth of it, but it is the truth. So if he makes a showing Squinch Feb 2020 #83
Michael Nutter endorsed him too. cwydro Feb 2020 #77
He said racist things, and took very racist actions Bradical79 Feb 2020 #84
they don't live in the stop and frisk areas n/t KayF Feb 2020 #85
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