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LanternWaste

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41. You conflate facts and conclusion. They are two separate concepts.

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:55 PM

Feb 2020

Facts are observed and interpreted to reach a conclusion, much as numbers are used to reach a sum. That conclusion and that sum are not inherently accurate simply because the underlying numbers are.

I get that you need to reach a conclusion not in evidence, but don't pretend doing so reflects the union. That inference reflects only your interpretation.

(Critical and rational thought often appears to be much less critical and rational these days)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously. [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

This was the same excuse used for getting rid of pensions jimfields33 Feb 2020 #1

Thank you for being honest squirecam Feb 2020 #8

So frustrating! jimfields33 Feb 2020 #13

"since corporations won't have to pay for workers' healthcare" The Revolution Feb 2020 #2

You're right about the perception of union workers. DanTex Feb 2020 #4

This. There's no way MFA is even possibly a better deal for the general public mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #28

Employers don't pay as much as most people think MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #59

What the UAW and others care about is not health care, denem Feb 2020 #3

No, they care about having health care. xmas74 Feb 2020 #42

explain to me how we get it passed, even if we have a 53-47 Senate majority and hold the House, Celerity Feb 2020 #5

Whether it passes or not is a different question as to whether it's a good thing. DanTex Feb 2020 #6

If it can't pass it's pretty worthless. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #21

Who would be giving up anything if it doesn't pass??? MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #60

As a union member my concern is quality of care. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #7

M4A does cover everything like that, yes. DanTex Feb 2020 #9

Existing Medicare is not that good. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #32

I'm union. I have a coworker who recently qualified for xmas74 Feb 2020 #43

The Nevada Culinary Union disagrees with your opinion. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #10

Like I said in the OP, I get that union leaders need to play politics and stay DanTex Feb 2020 #12

When I was employed I had great health insurance coverage paid entirely by my employer TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #15

Under M4A, your employer would pay a tax instead of the premium. DanTex Feb 2020 #16

You're right. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #19

damned right, it isn't free aka-chmeee Feb 2020 #49

You think a system... tonedevil Feb 2020 #24

It also depend on where you "were" employed. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #27

As long as... tonedevil Feb 2020 #31

There are thousands of other people that are taken care of as well. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #33

Yes... tonedevil Feb 2020 #35

I assure you that there are plenty of others that do not feel the same as you. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #37

I am quite aware of that. /nt tonedevil Feb 2020 #38

The "I got mine, F everyone else" mindset is strong. MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #61

Well said. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #65

I think it would benefit everyone gollygee Feb 2020 #11

I agree with that entirely. DanTex Feb 2020 #14

Are you a union worker? MineralMan Feb 2020 #17

You're not listening to union workers, you're listening to the leadership. Of one union. DanTex Feb 2020 #18

Union leadership is elected by union members. MineralMan Feb 2020 #20

And part of their job is to play politics, which is what they are doing here. DanTex Feb 2020 #22

I wasn't a union member, TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #23

Yeah, this article discusses that very point: Garrett78 Feb 2020 #53

You find merit... tonedevil Feb 2020 #25

No. I don't. What I said is that those union workers, like most people, MineralMan Feb 2020 #26

I've got mine, Jack. /nt tonedevil Feb 2020 #30

Uh, I'm not a union member. The last time I worked at a W-2 job was MineralMan Feb 2020 #34

It remains... tonedevil Feb 2020 #36

OK, but I'm talking about support for a candidate. MineralMan Feb 2020 #45

I'm sure you are correct... tonedevil Feb 2020 #46

I'm a proud union member. xmas74 Feb 2020 #44

Union membership both sides of this family..and keep your fingers off my health care Peacetrain Feb 2020 #29

The Nevada Culinary Union disagrees Gothmog Feb 2020 #39

Union workers customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #40

You conflate facts and conclusion. They are two separate concepts. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #41

Weak Argument Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #47

People with really good healthcare will have worse healthcare under MFA. There's no way around that. Recursion Feb 2020 #48

If I recall correctly, TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #50

Please. That's only true if the transition is instantaneous. DanTex Feb 2020 #54

Keep in mind several unions opposed a $15 minimum wage, too Recursion Feb 2020 #56

And the transition period doesn't change anything Recursion Feb 2020 #58

Single payer is not nationalized healthcare MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #62

A nationalized system could solve that problem with less pain Recursion Feb 2020 #63

Of course it does, you're talking about short-term problems. DanTex Feb 2020 #66

I'm a union worker. mzmolly Feb 2020 #51

Recommended, DanTex. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #52

Both Sanders and Warren plan to tax corporations as a funding source for MFA. Hoyt Feb 2020 #55

What Unions don't want is worse healthcare access for their members Recursion Feb 2020 #57

Hear! Hear! k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #64