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178. "What about" doesn't change the fact that the number of Sanders to Trump voters

Reply to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #176)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:47 AM

Feb 2020

in MI, WI, and PA exceeded Trump's margin of victory in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Hillary booed at Sanders rally tonight. [View all] RandySF Feb 2020 OP

Guess Cynthia didn't notice Michael, Nina and Susan DURHAM D Feb 2020 #1

"we're not going to do that here." Oh, but they are, Cynthia... Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #2

90% of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016. Get another talking point. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #3

actually you're being extremely disingenuous... Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #4

Precisely.. Thank You! Cha Feb 2020 #6

How you interpret that speaks to your biases. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #7

Oh good God gimme a break. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #10

I'm talking about conservative independents (or just independents generally) Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #22

TEN. PERCENT. OF. SANDERS. VOTERS. ACTUALLY. VOTED. FOR. TRUMP. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #26

Go back and read what I wrote earlier. Those voters were never voting for Clinton. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #27

Do you have any data to support that speculation? N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #73

Are we really going there? cherryinpa Feb 2020 #84

Rather than worry about getting the "context" correct, lapucelle Feb 2020 #94

Cool cherryinpa Feb 2020 #95

You need a new talking point. I'm not condeming anyone. I'm stating facts. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #96

THIS! mcar Feb 2020 #99

cherryinpa sheshe2 Feb 2020 #154

Nina Turner, Bri Bri, Siorta, Michael Moore and Sarandon not_the_one Feb 2020 #177

No he didn't endorse when it counted the most radical noodle Feb 2020 #138

And 25% of Hillary 2008 voters voted for John McCain. Do you have a point? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #64

... lapucelle Feb 2020 #75

Which doesn't change the essential facts Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #77

The essential fact is that the number of BS to Trump voters exceeded lapucelle Feb 2020 #80

Those are not facts. Those are opinions. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #163

It's a fact that African American turnout was down in 2016. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #165

The conclusions you draw based on the data are opinions, not facts. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #166

So are you seriously going to argue that Trump would've won Wisconsin without voter suppression? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #167

We know for a fact that Sanders to Trump voters exceeded Trump's margin of victory in WI. lapucelle Feb 2020 #169

Which were fewer than the number of voters turned away at the polls... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #171

That does not change the fact that the number of Sanders to Trump voters lapucelle Feb 2020 #173

Clinton lost Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania due to a number of factors. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #174

None of that changes the fact that the number of Sanders to Trump voters in WI, MI, and PA lapucelle Feb 2020 #175

Or the fact that all those other factors had the same or greater margin. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #176

"What about" doesn't change the fact that the number of Sanders to Trump voters lapucelle Feb 2020 #178

She invested her resources heavily in Wisconsin and Michigan. StevieM Feb 2020 #168

Those figures imply Sanders likely would have won in 2016 and would likely win in 2020. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #161

Those inferences don't follow from the evidence.N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #162

It's not conclusive, but it's not entirely unjustified either. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #164

Not true radical noodle Feb 2020 #139

Well said. It is time that we correct this latest talking point from TYT/Cenk Uygur. StevieM Feb 2020 #170

well of course!! i bet most of them have MAGA hats and they just jump from.. samnsara Feb 2020 #98

Let this sink in. They may have been independents. JudyM Feb 2020 #145

So, he pulls in people that would never vote for the Democratic nominee... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #12

Ah I see. It's okay to pull in outsiders if it's Biden but not Bernie. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #19

What are you even talking about? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #24

Sanders holds the party accountable. He wants it to do better. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #25

no he doesn't Cha Feb 2020 #28

Oh bullshit. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #30

Spot On!! blue-wave Feb 2020 #42

+1 million happybird Feb 2020 #45

Right on. Exactly. Damage to Democrats now in too elections. It is not forgotten. krissey Feb 2020 #47

+ 10 million madaboutharry Feb 2020 #58

I love this post. So. Much. Truth. nt eilen Feb 2020 #131

Thank you. Brilliant post! It's nothing but negativity from him... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #141

+1 betsuni Feb 2020 #150

Bigger tent? But one of his surrogates has said the tent should be smaller. Why do "true emmaverybo Feb 2020 #34

And this is where the attack narrative comes into play. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #35

Were these the same "few" that were his staffers and canvassers chanting ehrnst Feb 2020 #130

This says it all. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #158

Sanders has expressed Skidmore Feb 2020 #51

Bravo. Thank you for the big and bold honesty. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #52

Post #51 delivers the truth in a nutshell. The raw truth. nt oasis Feb 2020 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #81

Yes he has... so many LIES and insults about Democrats. Denigrating and divisive.... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #89

Thank you. brer cat Feb 2020 #118

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #119

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2020 #149

+1 betsuni Feb 2020 #151

Is the big tent of Democrats too big, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says? lapucelle Feb 2020 #78

I actually I had someone argue exactly on my FB today. We HAD to elect the non Democrat in our krissey Feb 2020 #39

Intepretation? Data is "intepretation" now? Amimnoch Feb 2020 #86

So, you're saying he really doesn't bring independents into the party. ehrnst Feb 2020 #107

+1,000,000 NCProgressive Feb 2020 #8

Twice as many Sanders voters supported HRC compared to HRC voters who supported Obama. Indepatriot Feb 2020 #11

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Hillary lost because of Hillary peoli Feb 2020 #16

Russia. Cha Feb 2020 #18

No, it's really not. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #21

Hillary had a 30 point lead on Barack Obama and lost peoli Feb 2020 #125

Hillary got 66 Million Votes in the General Election. Cha Feb 2020 #147

Guess you forgot Russia attacked our election. No less an expert than James Clapper, former top emmaverybo Feb 2020 #40

Comey did more damage than Putin. (eom) StevieM Feb 2020 #53

He contributed. We do not know to what extent Russians "meddled." They certainly would have emmaverybo Feb 2020 #61

I just don't agree with your assessment of Comey's actions and their results. StevieM Feb 2020 #143

Ok. I need more information. I realize his action, which I believe was out of his choosing to emmaverybo Feb 2020 #146

It is insane to say it is that simple. StevieM Feb 2020 #55

Just stop, please mcar Feb 2020 #100

So, if the Packers were in a Superbowl, and decided to sit out the last 7 minutes of the game, Indepatriot Feb 2020 #17

I would blame Mike Holmgren, because that actually happened in 1997. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #23

By that logic, it would surely be HRC's advisory staff, who answer to her, who are to blame.... Indepatriot Feb 2020 #31

She gave that job to Sanders. It was a poor hire. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #50

It was her job, no one else. She had plenty of time for Hollywood and Silicon Valley Indepatriot Feb 2020 #142

Trump doesn't believe the Russians attacked us either. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #56

Speaking of Jill Stein, Rick Wilson wrote in his book Running Against the Devil that octoberlib Feb 2020 #93

Hillary won by True Blue American Feb 2020 #54

And more BS supporters in those 3 states voted for IMPOTUS mcar Feb 2020 #102

I agree! True Blue American Feb 2020 #103

What about doesn't work. Cha Feb 2020 #179

Thanks for this!! blue-wave Feb 2020 #32

There were other groups of democrats who did not turn out in 2016. But you will not blame them. Rilgin Feb 2020 #65

Wow! You miss the entire point blue-wave Feb 2020 #159

No. You missed the point. Rilgin Feb 2020 #160

"The 10% voting for Trump...... did not cost Hillary the election" blue-wave Feb 2020 #180

No longer debating inauthentic arguments. Rilgin Feb 2020 #181

Sadly I have to agree. Control-Z Feb 2020 #76

sorta - but not exactly... Locrian Feb 2020 #87

Actually, it was 12% eilen Feb 2020 #129

around 30% total of Hillary 2008 primary voters did not vote for Obama in the general Celerity Feb 2020 #153

Seriously!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #5

Link? pnwmom Feb 2020 #29

Yep. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #33

That doesn't support the claim that 90% of Bernie voters went on to vote for Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2020 #37

The fact that over 25% of BS voters did not vote for the Democratic nominee lapucelle Feb 2020 #72

I do not believe that Zolorp Feb 2020 #101

I think these may be the half that didn't go over support other candidates in 2020. ehrnst Feb 2020 #105

you need to actually KNOW the data and its far from what you posted beachbumbob Feb 2020 #116

Now it's up to 90%? Well, it should have been 100% don't you think? George II Feb 2020 #123

As we move along in time the real number keeps going up and up. Now 90%. Is 100% far away? George II Feb 2020 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #9

And it is Bernie who should be saying that PatSeg Feb 2020 #117

"Here"....not "everywhere"? If they need instructions, just follow Gray/Sirota/Turner on twitter. George II Feb 2020 #124

But What About?!! Cha Feb 2020 #13

Someone booing HRC ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #15

Hmmm...I wonder why that might be...maybe the junior high style sniping and refusal to commit Indepatriot Feb 2020 #20

I was unaware that Hillary is running again. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #41

Ain't that the truth! W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #43

Perhaps Bloomberg will choose Hillary as a running mate LOL. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #46

That would be nice!:) True Blue American Feb 2020 #106

54% of Sanders supporters refuse to vote for a Democrat if he loses in 2020. What are you talking krissey Feb 2020 #44

Well, that is True Blue American Feb 2020 #68

Ya? Sanders #6 on my list. Especially because of the horrible supporters that cause so much krissey Feb 2020 #36

What horrible supporters? Aussie105 Feb 2020 #48

Right. krissey Feb 2020 #49

I can answer that. True Blue American Feb 2020 #59

DrDooleyMD, BS surrogate lapucelle Feb 2020 #157

The paid for agitators get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #83

It's an echo......................nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #38

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No, but they True Blue American Feb 2020 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #62

As my Engineer Son says, True Blue American Feb 2020 #63

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He is already doing all that True Blue American Feb 2020 #67

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I do not even have to ask. True Blue American Feb 2020 #74

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Trump told his followers last night to vote for the weakest True Blue American Feb 2020 #92

If Nixon really DID support BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #71

Good for Cynthia ibegurpard Feb 2020 #79

I'm glad cynthia nixon lost to Cuomo NYMinute Feb 2020 #82

This is not the first time, and how can we believe Sanders is the person who can unite the party still_one Feb 2020 #88

Cynthia Nixon, AOC, Cornel West.... brooklynite Feb 2020 #90

Did they chant lock her up ? They're the MAGA of the left. octoberlib Feb 2020 #91

someones campaign seems to attract the immature.... samnsara Feb 2020 #97

Turnabout is fair play Zolorp Feb 2020 #104

No. Really it won't be ok, and its not ok to suggest it will. Squinch Feb 2020 #111

Sarcasm Zolorp Feb 2020 #112

Doesn't work well on this subject. Squinch Feb 2020 #114

too bad Zolorp Feb 2020 #115

Bless your heart. Squinch Feb 2020 #135

Back atcha Zolorp Feb 2020 #136

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Thank you cynthia. riversedge Feb 2020 #108

Bernie and his staff might to well to learn from Cynthia Nixon. ehrnst Feb 2020 #109

Good for Cynthia Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #110

To quote Amy, "Hi, Bernie people." Cue the claims of persecution Squinch Feb 2020 #113

STOP Fighting the last Democratic primary!! Bluepinky Feb 2020 #120

It happpened last night. RandySF Feb 2020 #121

... LexVegas Feb 2020 #122

It Does Get Old Me. Feb 2020 #133

ENOUGH of that crap. Grow up, folks. n/t Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #127

Seems like Bernie Rallies are not that much different from Trump rallies eilen Feb 2020 #128

I Am So Done With Those People Me. Feb 2020 #132

This is the same type of conduct that vetted sanders delegates engaged in at the National Convention Gothmog Feb 2020 #134

I'm glad I read the whole thread. I was about to weigh in with this. MineralMan Feb 2020 #144

It was not a fun experience Gothmog Feb 2020 #148

Classy to the end... Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #140

I planning to attend a Sanders rally Horizens Feb 2020 #152

This sort of shit is why Sanders won't get my vote in the primary Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #155

5 years ago, the idea of supporters of someone running for the Democratic nominee betsuni Feb 2020 #156

Sanders supporters booed someone openly (and inexplicably) attacking their candidate? Gore1FL Feb 2020 #172

Arggh Gothmog Feb 2020 #182

Biden calls on Sanders to take accountability for supporters' threats Gothmog Feb 2020 #183