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mr_liberal

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45. Whatever beliefs, good or bad, should have nothing to do with what a President does.

Reply to karynnj (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 3, 2019, 02:37 PM

Apr 2019

Separation of church and state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mayor Pete casts doubt on Trump's Christianity [View all] True Dough Apr 2019 OP

Sounds bigoted towards atheists. mr_liberal Apr 2019 #1

Oh please. cwydro Apr 2019 #2

It would apply to everyone though. It would mean that if you're sincerely religious mr_liberal Apr 2019 #9

that claim you make is not logically sound (and I am a hardcore atheist) Celerity Apr 2019 #11

So if someone sincerely believes in god and christian then that would make them a good president? nt mr_liberal Apr 2019 #14

again with the logical disconnect Celerity Apr 2019 #16

He's saying if they do sincerely believe they would be a good person/president though. nt mr_liberal Apr 2019 #19

you just keep digging deeper in the field of logical fallacies Celerity Apr 2019 #23

I think you mean erroneous. Pete's the one making logical fallacies imo. nt mr_liberal Apr 2019 #26

oh snap, I fixed it, damn auto-correct, that was a bad one, eeeeek Celerity Apr 2019 #29

Huh?? crimycarny Apr 2019 #30

Very well stated, crimycarny True Dough Apr 2019 #53

re: "He's saying if they do sincerely believe they would be a good person/president though" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #60

Back that up with a quote from him. sfwriter Apr 2019 #108

Good luck. cwydro Apr 2019 #52

He didn't say that. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #41

I want a candidate that DownriverDem Apr 2019 #22

Which one is 'too far left?' What is 'too far left?' pangaia Apr 2019 #28

Unfortunately "too far left" nowadays is basically a mid 70s moderate Republican stance. BamaRefugee Apr 2019 #44

He's calling out the fake president True Dough Apr 2019 #3

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #5

It's Pete's Opinion Roy Rolling Apr 2019 #12

Pence does though and he would also be bad. nt mr_liberal Apr 2019 #15

He's criticized Pence for violating Christian principles as well. marylandblue Apr 2019 #61

It is high time that the religious left was given a voice. murielm99 Apr 2019 #78

I don't think Dotard even professes it treestar Apr 2019 #111

This link was provided in a post above True Dough Apr 2019 #114

I don't go to church either marlakay Apr 2019 #6

They don't believe it. They know its an act. They just like his policies and his judges. nt mr_liberal Apr 2019 #7

It is more central to WHO he is and his values than whether he attends church. karynnj Apr 2019 #10

How do you get that? karynnj Apr 2019 #8

The assumption that "Christian values" are something positive is ridiculous. stopbush Apr 2019 #25

From the point of a Christian, as Mayor Pete is, there are positive values karynnj Apr 2019 #34

Whatever beliefs, good or bad, should have nothing to do with what a President does. mr_liberal Apr 2019 #45

Any person is informed by the values he or she has karynnj Apr 2019 #58

Those are definitely NOT Christian values. They might.. LAS14 Apr 2019 #39

Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner, welcoming the stranger? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #43

And what else is in the Bible that we can base laws and policies on? nt mr_liberal Apr 2019 #50

I'm not saying we should be basing laws and policies on the Bible. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #54

Well said, VO, very well said. 3catwoman3 Apr 2019 #72

Suuuurrre. MicaelS Apr 2019 #69

Wow, feeling defensive or what? He didn't say ANYTHING about athiests. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #13

"hard to look at this president's actions and believe that they're the actions of somebody... Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #18

Yep stopbush Apr 2019 #21

even saying "those that act like Trump are non-believers" does not mean... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #36

He specifically used belief in God as the evaluation point of good actions. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #76

He did not say that. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #86

So are you a believer? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #88

This is about logic, not faith. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #89

Understood Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #90

I think your math is off. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #97

Maybe Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #105

But... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #113

I completely agree with this: Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #117

Continuing... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #119

Pretty sure you're committing a logical fallacy ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #38

Except for the fact that he never said anything like that. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #55

Someone who doesn't have the privilege of religion is telling you how this comes across. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #75

And I am noting that what you are searching for is not in the post. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #99

So double down on the not listening. Cool cool. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #100

I am not asking you to not speak. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #101

I've been very clear on several sub threads here. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #103

I read the entire thread. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #104

Like I said, paranoia or something, he said NOTHING about athiests. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #63

That's not what he said. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #74

Just like I said, not acting like a believer is NOT the same as saying acting like a non-believer pdsimdars Apr 2019 #83

OK, so logically, this is a binary, mutually exclusive thing, right? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #85

Well, let's see the title says "Christianity" pdsimdars Apr 2019 #91

The title, but he specifically states belief in God. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #93

This is more about hypocrisy than anything. tinrobot Apr 2019 #17

Yep. stopbush Apr 2019 #20

He didn't say a thing about atheists. He just said Trump's actions are... LAS14 Apr 2019 #33

Quit trying to make this about atheism. It's not. MicaelS Apr 2019 #62

I don't think so (bigoted). He's only addressing trump and Christianity and analyzing Karadeniz Apr 2019 #67

Right-On! kooth Apr 2019 #73

He's talking about the hypocrisy of Trump, not the "superiority" of religion IndianaDave Apr 2019 #94

Yes. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2019 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Apr 2019 #107

I'm an atheist customerserviceguy Apr 2019 #110

You clearly perceive what Pete was getting at. Please read #94 above. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #116

It isn't at all radical noodle Feb 2020 #120

Thank you, Mayor Pete. Paladin Apr 2019 #4

Smart move. How's Trump going to use his tactic of belittling in this case? jalan48 Apr 2019 #24

He used that tactic on the Pope, although the inquiries of earlier Popes were more robust. Marcuse Apr 2019 #92

Thanks. How dare the Pope! jalan48 Apr 2019 #106

Blech... SidDithers Apr 2019 #27

He didn't equate goodness with Christianity. But he does equate Christianity with goodness. There. LAS14 Apr 2019 #40

There are good and bad Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #46

Being an asshole would be against Christian values, and therefore he'd say the same about them mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #48

It's not what you say it is either. marylandblue Apr 2019 #66

To sort of quote Stephen Colbert treestar Apr 2019 #112

That's A Minefield DallasNE Apr 2019 #31

How could anyone doubt? keithbvadu2 Apr 2019 #32

LOL TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #115

Trump is a christian as far as I am concerned. Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #35

But Trump has never said "I am a Christian" has he? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #37

Yes, he has, repeatedly. He just isn't very convincing. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #49

Sorry, but I read through that whole article and did not see him do that LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #59

He most definitely does. There is audio of him saying... 3catwoman3 Apr 2019 #64

I've never heard that. But I'll take your word for it. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #71

This is a terrible road to go down. StevieM Apr 2019 #42

Trump is no Christian patphil Apr 2019 #47

Trump has 100,000,000 followers and they are ALL the antithesis of Jesus FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #57

absolutely horrible choice of words, totally stupid place to plant a flag. Hamlette Apr 2019 #51

No, it doesn't crimycarny Apr 2019 #65

see, compete waste of time Hamlette Apr 2019 #87

It only 'implies that' ... if one commits a logical fallacy ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #68

Would you have said the same thing to MLK? n/t MicaelS Apr 2019 #70

But Trump has humbled himself before another person. iscooterliberally Apr 2019 #56

probably Stormy too Celerity Apr 2019 #77

oh...that means there's a whole list of people. iscooterliberally Apr 2019 #81

I'm surprised at the comments here Raven123 Apr 2019 #79

Excellent summation True Dough Apr 2019 #80

forget rethoric jaceaf Apr 2019 #82

Sounds like you've made up your mind already True Dough Apr 2019 #84

+1 Celerity Apr 2019 #96

complete bollocks, he never made such an inference Celerity Apr 2019 #95

I would appreciate it if you would read post 94, above. I think it will be helpful for you, jaceaf IndianaDave Apr 2019 #98

If a person feels a reluctance MyNameGoesHere Apr 2019 #109

Trump does a better job of casting doubt on Trump's Christianity ProfessorPlum Apr 2019 #118