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166. you should realize that not all women who complain publicly are immediately verified

Wed Apr 3, 2019, 03:54 PM

Apr 2019

...in their claims.

Some pan out, others don't. Many of the revelations are from incidents occurring in the distant past. 'Believing' their accounts costs nothing, but is an encouragement for others to come forward.

Not believing women has been a shameful standard of the past. The movement adopted a determination to 'believe' women, mostly because of that insensitivity and the stifling effect it has had on women coming forward.

I've seen very little to suggest to me that these accusers shouldn't be supported in coming forward. The political affiliation is a misnomer, given that most Democrats and folks here had no problem with the political affiliations of Kavanaugh's accuser. This is a partisan defense of a politician, risking unraveling the support generated by the movement for politics' sake.

The consistent position is to support women by 'believing' their stories when they relate them, even if they happen to fall on our favorite politician. It's the least we can do to establish space for women to come forward and share their experiences without fear of recrimination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Harris: 'I believe' Biden accusers [View all] jalan48 Apr 2019 OP

Who appointed Harris judge and jury? democratisphere Apr 2019 #1

she has a right to her opinion bigtree Apr 2019 #9

When you state you believe the accusers, it is inferred that democratisphere Apr 2019 #21

In which case, what right do people here have to be Judge and Jury? brooklynite Apr 2019 #71

We need to make sure the facts don't turn into so-called alternative facts. democratisphere Apr 2019 #78

But you have no more facts than Harris has... brooklynite Apr 2019 #88

There was no problem accusing Gabbard of being a Russian agent at140 Nov 2019 #216

He invaded their privacy, by touching them in ways they didn't want, pnwmom Apr 2019 #80

Look into the background of every one of our candidates louis c Apr 2019 #110

I really liked her ...she and Beto were next on my list...but she is off My primary list. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #76

Sorry those who speak out against Democrats without waiting for full story are off my list. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #89

you're full-on attacking a Democrat bigtree Apr 2019 #96

That's not an attack. louis c Apr 2019 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #118

Right Wing. There's no truth to it? louis c Apr 2019 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #132

Doesn't Ms. Harris have to answer for that just as Joe Biden does. louis c Apr 2019 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #147

Please link me to Kamala's reponse to the Brown story... louis c Apr 2019 #150

sure, it's at rightwingtroll.com bigtree Apr 2019 #158

Just as I thought... louis c Apr 2019 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #171

Kamala did address the story when Willie came out True Blue American Apr 2019 #205

when I read a post like this mercuryblues Apr 2019 #187

No I am not. Should she be the nominee, she has my vote in the general but not the primary. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #122

The only candidate left for you is Joe Biden Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #182

You do realize, statistically speaking, the odds are that not all allegations are valid. avebury Apr 2019 #173

Again.. agree completely Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #106

Thank you. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #124

I do condemn such knee jerk support without foundation. I consder such Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #92

all concern coming from you is political. bigtree Apr 2019 #99

No it isn't all political... far from it. This is a Dem attacking another Dem Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #108

no, this is a woman supporting another woman bigtree Apr 2019 #121

Like she supported other women 20 years ago? louis c Apr 2019 #128

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #131

Stones and glass houses louis c Apr 2019 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #148

Maybe you should have thought of that before you bashed Biden. louis c Apr 2019 #149

nowhere have I bashed Biden bigtree Apr 2019 #160

Ya, ya. you didn't bash Biden.... louis c Apr 2019 #164

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #167

Do you call this "unwanted touching" Cha Apr 2019 #202

More to the rabbit hole... fleabiscuit Apr 2019 #204

I think Biden has the best chance to win...what I hoped for was a Biden/Harris ticket. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #130

Did you stand up against unproven allegations against candidate Gabbard? at140 Nov 2019 #217

Actually I did...several times...she is a Democrat after all...don't see Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #218

In that case.....you are a great poster and I admire you...nt at140 Nov 2019 #219

Thank you...very kind of you...took a great deal of flack for this. But Tulsi is a Democrat period. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #220

Totally agree. It also makes people sound so self-righteous. And they've all coopted the same Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #214

Off mine too! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #103

I still really like her PatSeg Apr 2019 #104

I hope she does better too. I am sick of Democrats destroying each other...leave that to the Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #133

Obviously PatSeg Apr 2019 #175

I agree with everything you say. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #180

I tend to find Biden folks to be very agreeable! PatSeg Apr 2019 #181

I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN HER NOW. I will go for UNDECIDED NOW. Taking her picture off my name trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #143

I don't think you have to do that...see what happpens in the coming days. I will be watching. She is Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #162

If you can't say something nice...... Peace06 Apr 2019 #206

True but I am willing to wager a number of people are going to be wondering if she is cstanleytech Apr 2019 #52

if you start with the same support Biden offered his accuser for making her public complaint bigtree Apr 2019 #85

Why would Biden support a politically motivated attack against him. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #94

read his statement. bigtree Apr 2019 #100

I have read it... anyone can say anthing but I have the right to believe their statements cause Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #134

read it again: bigtree Apr 2019 #138

I am a woman and I was sexually assaulted ...sent to the hospital. my attacker was not charged as I Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #144

Ok...I argue with the best of them...and enjoy it. But you have proven my point in a way...only Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #153

well, I'm not convinced bigtree Apr 2019 #156

I never made that assertation. I am a political junky...and of course politics matter. But the fear Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #161

you should realize that not all women who complain publicly are immediately verified bigtree Apr 2019 #166

Everyone is allowed to decide who and what to believe. Merlot Apr 2019 #10

Quite a departure from what Nancy Pelosi said; not a disqualifier for running for President. democratisphere Apr 2019 #31

Who made you that? Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #12

With no evidence or due process you've got nothing, specially many years later. democratisphere Apr 2019 #34

She has the same right as any of us. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #74

The right of a so-called Democrat to smear a Democratic Vice President over nothing?! democratisphere Apr 2019 #84

He isn't being accused of a crime or an intentional act, so it's not a smear. pnwmom Apr 2019 #87

It is one of the worst smears I have ever seen...in that it is a 'feeling' which is hard to defend Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #136

I don't believe Harris DownriverDem Apr 2019 #77

You know PatSeg Apr 2019 #109

I believe them too. He made them incomfortable. That does not OregonBlue Apr 2019 #107

This is disappointing. I respect and admire Harris, but I wish she had not said this. secondwind Apr 2019 #208

And so, she joins the smear LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #2

Not surprising, she believed the Al Franken accusers too n/t Baclava Apr 2019 #3

Yeah, that's the problem I have with her FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #40

There's no group hugs in politics, its everyone for themselves, these little rifts just confirm that Baclava Apr 2019 #41

Yep PatSeg Apr 2019 #113

32 Democratic Senators signed the letter that day, including ALL of the women Senators pnwmom Apr 2019 #212

I believe them too. Turbineguy Apr 2019 #4

Exactly. It's not mutually exclusive True Dough Apr 2019 #7

I don't think PDittie Apr 2019 #39

I am changing to undecided from Harris and I have stopped my biweekly donation Trenzalore Apr 2019 #5

I mean I don't think they are lying either qazplm135 Apr 2019 #6

I agree. JaneQPublic Apr 2019 #15

Well said. n/t Eyeball_Kid Apr 2019 #56

She just lost me. I'm beginning to see her as too calculating and crafty by half Dream Girl Apr 2019 #8

I was Biden/Harris until this morning LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #14

I agree with everything you said. She could have handled this better MelissaB Apr 2019 #25

Yeah, I know.. I didn't like Cha Apr 2019 #27

Oh yes PatSeg Apr 2019 #119

This is disturbing... BooScout Apr 2019 #11

She lost me Trenzalore Apr 2019 #13

Bi-Weekly.. that's really Cha Apr 2019 #16

I wouldn't go that far Trenzalore Apr 2019 #18

I really like Mayor Pete and am rooting for him, probably avebury Apr 2019 #42

It's Al Franken all over again wryter2000 Apr 2019 #55

I agree sunnybrook Apr 2019 #79

Maybe it's time I called her office wryter2000 Apr 2019 #135

"disrespectful to survivors of real aggression" MBS Apr 2019 #95

The problem with the Me To movement is that we have swung from avebury Apr 2019 #17

I agree.. thank you, avebury. Cha Apr 2019 #19

Very well said. secondwind Apr 2019 #209

Damn I liked her . Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #20

OK, subtract points for this lame response. lark Apr 2019 #22

Klobuchar said she believes the two women. n/t geardaddy Apr 2019 #50

Rec. nt LexVegas Apr 2019 #23

She's pandering.... FarPoint Apr 2019 #26

Wrong answer awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #28

In a vacuum, what's to be expected? sfwriter Apr 2019 #90

Oops!! There goes Harris. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #29

Klobuchar goes too. Don't forget her! LexVegas Apr 2019 #33

I guess I already have forgotten her. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #151

I think she'll probably say something complimentary about VP Biden today or tomorrow. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #30

You can't unring the bell. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2019 #36

What I know about Joe Biden Miles Archer Apr 2019 #32

Another good one steps into the quicksand. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2019 #35

a Biden/Harris ticket's odds just took a massive hit Celerity Apr 2019 #37

I think that was the goal Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #195

I fear the pendulum is swinging too far the other way Jarqui Apr 2019 #38

every woman candidate expressing support dragged under the Biden supporter bus bigtree Apr 2019 #43

You could just as easily Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #45

what bullshit bigtree Apr 2019 #53

what bullshit Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #191

That's a shame. Smacks of the lust Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #44

You know Warren said basically the same thing a few days ago, right? hughee99 Apr 2019 #48

Yep. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #192

How does Senator Harris' statement... tonedevil Apr 2019 #49

See post 192. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #193

Warren said essentially the same thing bigtree Apr 2019 #54

Lot of "but everybody else is doing it" here. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #194

Help me out here. Which of these came first? namahage Apr 2019 #62

I guess Warren takes the Gillibrand Franken Memorial Award for first out of the gate Celerity Apr 2019 #65

You forgot Warren, Klobuchar, Castro, Hickenlooper, Delaney..... brooklynite Apr 2019 #75

correct me if I am wrong, but was not Warren the first declared candidate to comment on the Biden Celerity Apr 2019 #86

Not that I'm aware of. brooklynite Apr 2019 #93

A shame. That drops her on my list. Tipperary Apr 2019 #46

Well there you go workinclasszero Apr 2019 #47

Exactly what I was thinking. LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #64

It took some political courage to take that position workinclasszero Apr 2019 #83

She obviously wants to win. LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #102

No, but Sanders must be happy the spotlight is off of the pervasive culture of sexual harassment in LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #82

He dealt with that unlike others workinclasszero Apr 2019 #91

There's a difference between believing them - that what they said happened The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #51

How disappointing. Her "he'll have to decide for himself" comment was very off-putting, inferring catbyte Apr 2019 #57

I agree -- and, if it were me, those type of comments would make me JUMP IN karynnj Apr 2019 #67

That DOES NOT work for me. Is she anti-male? An opportunist? rainin Apr 2019 #58

Not being able to give a more nuanced answer madaboutharry Apr 2019 #59

Another dem has lunch wiith a fellow dem on the plate. Let me draw a line thru Kamala Harris' name mfcorey1 Apr 2019 #60

I Would Never Go So Far DallasNE Apr 2019 #61

It worked with Franken, so why not? Hassler Apr 2019 #63

Both she and Warren just went down two notches on my preference. allgood33 Apr 2019 #66

Harris will have to walk those words back... louis c Apr 2019 #68

I no longer want to see that happen LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #98

I guess... BigOleDummy Apr 2019 #69

I believe the accusers when they say they felt uncomfortable too.... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #70

As we've seen among DUers, some are using "believe" as synonymous with "taking seriously" hlthe2b Apr 2019 #72

How many times will Democrats cave into The Wizard Apr 2019 #73

I find this disturbing FreeState Apr 2019 #81

I agree. The sexism on DU is toxic. athena Apr 2019 #114

Yikes... Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #211

A survivor of a kiss on the head? A survivor for being uncomfortable? chowder66 Apr 2019 #120

Well said PatSeg Apr 2019 #125

The fact that murder is bad doesn't make theft acceptable. athena Apr 2019 #140

And loyalsister Apr 2019 #163

Thank you! crimycarny Apr 2019 #165

I am a survivior too...and this entire thing makes me so angry... what she survived a touch on her Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #170

agreed - we can't believe in one thing till it hits one of our own jaceaf Apr 2019 #198

And somewhere, Larry Wallace is smirking BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #97

The best comment would be no comment Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #101

Yes PatSeg Apr 2019 #123

I believe them too, they felt 'uncomfortable.' elleng Apr 2019 #105

lol fail ! stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #111

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #115

That's pretty much over the line, I think. MineralMan Apr 2019 #117

Well, that's mighty big of her to allow him to make that decision. MineralMan Apr 2019 #116

FINALLY: Someone stands up for Joe Biden..... brooklynite Apr 2019 #126

Read the forum.. there are a lot of Cha Apr 2019 #200

Thanks for nothing Kamala Harris.. pangaia Apr 2019 #129

I don't think Harris wants Biden to run. Kanoko Apr 2019 #137

Maybe I've lived a sheltered existence but i view this thing like this. CentralMass Apr 2019 #139

She sees an opportunity to hobble her competition madville Apr 2019 #145

This is Sheer Opportunism on Harris's Part Indykatie Apr 2019 #152

Another hit and run post. Andy823 Apr 2019 #154

Posting the exact words of a candidate for POTUS is not hit and run. jalan48 Apr 2019 #159

It's over now. Time to move on. Kingofalldems Apr 2019 #169

Adios. jalan48 Apr 2019 #172

OK, then this one should be OK also Andy823 Apr 2019 #174

So Harris's statement is about Bernie Sanders now? jalan48 Apr 2019 #176

You started a thread Andy823 Apr 2019 #179

Meh, whataboutism. jalan48 Apr 2019 #184

As is this: namahage Apr 2019 #177

I am very disappointed that Harris did this. TruckFump Apr 2019 #155

Well that changes my choice. MicaelS Apr 2019 #157

my ONLY consideration is who polls best against Trump. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #178

I am kind of where you are too. Not taking any chances this round. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2019 #183

You know, I don't like being touched by anyone other than my spouse. Liberal Veteran Apr 2019 #185

Well said; this is what grown-ups do LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #186

I too flinch... tonedevil Apr 2019 #207

The touches you describe could be avoided by stepping away, unlike the surprise kiss pnwmom Apr 2019 #213

We will have to disagree on that. Liberal Veteran Apr 2019 #215

You know who else said the exact same thing? mercuryblues Apr 2019 #188

Someone else as well, namahage Apr 2019 #199

Very disappointing. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #189

Hell, I "believe," them, but I still think it's petty / silly. ecstatic Apr 2019 #190

Even a woman can be a "bull moose in heat." McCamy Taylor Apr 2019 #196

Biden believes them jaceaf Apr 2019 #197

Horrible!! samplegirl Apr 2019 #201

Only emboldens my support of her. I believe them too. Do I think it's disqualifying for Biden? No. SaschaHM Apr 2019 #203

How illogical. "I would never think of telling Joe what Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #210