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Progressive2020

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20. Again

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:34 PM

Feb 2020

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What are you basing your position on? Do you have numbers, polling data that supports this idea that Sanders can not win against Trump? Or is it just your opinion? These things can become self-fulfilling prophecies. If one person says that Bernie can't win, they might convince someone else that this is true, and that person may not go out and vote for Sanders. And so on with other voters.

This view could reduce turnout if Sanders wins the nomination. We need to support and fight for whoever gets the nomination, whether it is Sanders or someone else. This self-defeatism is mentally weak, in my opinion. So, I do not think this is "the truth". Back your position up with numbers, or at least admit that this is your opinion, not a fact, or "truth" as you put it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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With total respect, Bernie supporters haven't got a clue. I know because I supported McGovern [View all] Stuart G Feb 2020 OP

K&R. From another McGovern supporter. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #1

Here, too zeusdogmom Feb 2020 #14

Same here wryter2000 Feb 2020 #65

+ 1 billion grantcart Feb 2020 #74

TY grantcart. Live and learn. Hekate Feb 2020 #135

+1. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #105

yawn azureblue Feb 2020 #116

Exactly. KPN Feb 2020 #120

I hope you are correct! B Stieg Feb 2020 #150

He was / "Socialism" azureblue Feb 2020 #155

My first presidential election hangaleft Feb 2020 #141

Warren is so much more electable than Sanders is. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #146

You've hit some of the key reasons why I support Warren and want her to be our next president hangaleft Feb 2020 #152

If she were more electable, more people would be voting for her. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #178

People do not vote just based on perceived electability. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #192

That was my first presidential vote. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #158

Was McGovern consistently polling ahead of Nixon? DanTex Feb 2020 #2

Nixon was leading all the way by a wide margin. There's no reasonable comparison. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #18

Exactly Right Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #30

And McGovern's snowybirdie Feb 2020 #59

You just don't get it Butterflylady Feb 2020 #93

Nixon did not have this much oppo on MCGovern Gothmog Feb 2020 #94

Hmmm, Democrats working against Democrats Perseus Feb 2020 #107

sanders was such a weak candidate in 2016 that the Clinton campaign never used this oppo Gothmog Feb 2020 #112

Sorry Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #115

George McGovern was the ultra-liberal candidate in the 1972 primaries FakeNoose Feb 2020 #109

It was too soon after Chappaquiddick Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #131

Polling wasn't the major industry it is today. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #111

Yeah. It was a totally different situation and a different time. DanTex Feb 2020 #113

Another oddity though is that Nixon destroyed the front runner (Muskie) dawg day Feb 2020 #132

Bernie and McGovern are totally different candidates. Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #147

Hart says Sanders is no mcgovern 520to17 Feb 2020 #179

Here you go, found it for you. And Welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2020 #191

i can say with utmost confidence that this isn't 1972. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #3

Bernie will lose, McGovern lost. Stuart G Feb 2020 #6

my point is America of 1972 is not recognizable to America 2020. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #13

The America of 1972 was more liberal than today...we have less chance than McGovern. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #38

i agree. but that's a snapshot and discounts the trend of the body politic moving right. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #54

Compare wages, health care, union membership and pensions now to 1972. brewens Feb 2020 #181

And your data to backup your conclusion? Perseus Feb 2020 #89

+1 Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #11

Oops -- wrong post. Let me move it down one post. KPN Feb 2020 #45

After the Republicans got their asses handed to them by LBJ vs Goldwater 486-52 Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #4

16 years from Goldwater to Reagan. We're way past due for McGovern wing redemption. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #24

Precisely! Thank you for that! KPN Feb 2020 #42

Really...do we have the Senate...no. Do we have the majority of state governments...no. Did the Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #44

I believe Dems held the House, Senate, and majority of governorships when Reagan was elected. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #64

Centrist to this day my ass. brush Feb 2020 #138

The poster was being facetious. Celerity Feb 2020 #145

Calling The Race Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #5

You can think what you want. This is not defeatism, it is what it is. The truth. Stuart G Feb 2020 #10

Again Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #20

The experience I have gained in the last fifty years qualifies me to say calguy Feb 2020 #70

No black President until Obama DaDeacon Feb 2020 #83

Exactly Right Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #97

Obama won because of the strong black voter turnout, a minority of whites voted for him but it was Dream Girl Feb 2020 #98

Killer Mike says it best... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #103

Killer Mike Is Great Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #117

We only make up 12% of the population... mtron32 Feb 2020 #183

Once again that argument is no good anymore. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #108

Neither are we.... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #140

The Republican Party is what it's always been... mtron32 Feb 2020 #184

Sorry. Bernie is no Obama redstateblues Feb 2020 #157

And no Catholic until Kennedy! NT anamnua Feb 2020 #174

Obama was is a Dem, not a socialist, and he somethimes quoted Reagan. brush Feb 2020 #182

Could've fooled me mtron32 Feb 2020 #185

You mean Palin's dumbass crowds? They also called him a nazi and communist... brush Feb 2020 #188

Exactly, so why fret about it mtron32 Feb 2020 #190

Everyone thought the crook in the WH would not be elected, and there he is. Perseus Feb 2020 #99

I Agree Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #110

The only problem with your analysis is...... calguy Feb 2020 #124

This is the opposite of defeatism. We have a number of candidates superior in... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #167

It is a realistic view of Sander's chances of winning the EC. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #49

I base it on what I've lived thru in the past Butterflylady Feb 2020 #104

Same here, I was young and clueless Progressive dog Feb 2020 #7

When was that? 1972? bluewater Feb 2020 #8

Not a whole lot has changed...except this thought took 15 seconds to write and communicate pbmus Feb 2020 #17

That was such a devastating loss PatSeg Feb 2020 #9

I still remember how much I cried that election night 4now Feb 2020 #12

Bernie will NEVER be our nation's president. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #15

Better get used to President Sanders then OliverQ Feb 2020 #19

Bernie will NEVER be our nation's president. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #22

Lol, that's absolutely nonsense. OliverQ Feb 2020 #25

Bernie will NEVER be our nation's president. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #27

I'm not insulting you. OliverQ Feb 2020 #72

Can you really trust polls? SilasSouleII Feb 2020 #69

Bernie will never be elected. It's so sad and frustrating to see the blindness. Dream Girl Feb 2020 #100

People said the same thing about Trump. OliverQ Feb 2020 #122

Agreed. See post #37. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #142

+100 InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #33

It is not a president Sanders that we fear...it is that President Trump gets four more years. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #52

You are not alone in that belief. I also fear "President Trump" for four more years. Stuart G Feb 2020 #75

Seeing some similiar signs Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #31

Comparing the McGovern election to today is just dishonest. OliverQ Feb 2020 #16

Here is how...Bernie looks radical. Socialism is a radical word Stuart G Feb 2020 #28

Obama was called a Radical Socialist for 8 years. OliverQ Feb 2020 #35

The difference is that Obama isn't a Socialist. It didn't stick. Bernie is a Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #47

Bernie isn't really a socialist either. OliverQ Feb 2020 #62

He calls himself some type of socialist, a lot uponit7771 Feb 2020 #133

Sorry but I don't Romberger Obama being called radical soialist Dream Girl Feb 2020 #134

Are you kidding? That was a staple at Fox news. They loved to call Obamacare socialism. progressoid Feb 2020 #160

I guess cause I don't watch Fox. Doubtful those folks were hard to persuade Dream Girl Feb 2020 #161

He has also spent a lifetime of painting the Democratic party as being "corrupt"... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #50

Yes, Bernie ......"has spent a lifetime of painting the Democratic party as being "corrupt"..." Stuart G Feb 2020 #186

Thank you. If we're explaining... then we're losing. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #187

DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #36

He doesn't stand a chance in the evertonfc Feb 2020 #21

Bloomberg has pledged to throw his support behind the nominee. So we'll see that 300 million... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #26

Hope Bloomberg doesn't read DU IADEMO2004 Feb 2020 #51

No amount of money will elect Sanders. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #53

If Bernie is McGovern, Biden is Mondale. denem Feb 2020 #23

this is such a boomer thread KayF Feb 2020 #29

No shit! Devil Child Feb 2020 #32

How many of the 2020 voters were not even born yet when this happened ? lunasun Feb 2020 #55

Maybe, but Boomers vote... Dream Girl Feb 2020 #101

Thank you so much for the insult. I really appreciate it. catbyte Feb 2020 #153

not meant that way at all KayF Feb 2020 #163

No comparison. These are dramatically different times and problems. McGovern didn't have the huge KPN Feb 2020 #34

It is not my view of Sanders , it is the view of the "middle of the road voter" that counts. Stuart G Feb 2020 #43

Sanders Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #119

The electorate has changed drastically since then. And opposition to the status quo... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #37

Nice crystal ball you have! Devil Child Feb 2020 #39

"With total respect"? And you follow that by saying people are clueless? redqueen Feb 2020 #40

The US will elect a sociopath before it elects a Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #41

It already has elected a "sociopath" and many of us knew it. Stuart G Feb 2020 #57

All Bernie needs is the Black and Hispanic vote - if he can get that he will easily win - walkingman Feb 2020 #46

That is nonsense...I don't see how anyone can say America is more progressive with a straight face. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #58

What I said was that "America is far more progressive than we were in 1972" - it is a fact. In 1972 walkingman Feb 2020 #118

You Are Correct Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #121

If that is true...then why doesn't America vote in a progressive way? And they don't. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #137

The nation on balance is staggeringly more progressive on certain issues Celerity Feb 2020 #144

An analogy if you will Zambero Feb 2020 #48

Duly noted... mikeysnot Feb 2020 #56

I watched Hillary lose in a close election. That was awful. Stuart G Feb 2020 #60

Elections are won by pluralities. FDR amd LBJ won, and accomplished a lot. empedocles Feb 2020 #61

If you think Obama had difficulty passing legislation bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #63

This is not 1972, Sanders isn't McGovern... Indepatriot Feb 2020 #66

One more point to consider..Bernie maybe "moderate", but he does not "look moderate." Stuart G Feb 2020 #67

One monumental definitely game changer that made it impossible Prosper Feb 2020 #68

"His ideas may be correct." Well, yes, they really are. So you are too afraid to even try in the Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #71

++One of my favorite signs I have seen at Warren campaigns - Hope Over Fear lunasun Feb 2020 #128

As someone who did not support McGovern tiredtoo Feb 2020 #73

Totally accurate. But Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #76

No lees1975 Feb 2020 #77

To those citing polls as their savior. Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #81

Yep. I was there too. calimary Feb 2020 #78

And BS doesn't have McGovern's relatability. Squinch Feb 2020 #79

Don't be surprised if some BernieBros hit you with some snide age-ism. Paladin Feb 2020 #80

The hipocrcy is blinding DaDeacon Feb 2020 #92

Did you forget Trump won ? lunasun Feb 2020 #130

I worked for the McGovern campaign and you are completely wrong Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #82

Nixon resigned and his people went to prison IronLionZion Feb 2020 #84

Bernie has a chance to become president, only of the rest of the Democrats who do not Perseus Feb 2020 #85

Thank you, I have been trying to give people a history lesson wisteria Feb 2020 #86

Lordy. Jirel Feb 2020 #87

10000+ wisteria Feb 2020 #88

Thank you for posting this. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #90

"I think he would not just lose but would lose badly -- and I don't think the country can afford that Gothmog Feb 2020 #91

Yep!!!! What Stuart G said. Alliepoo Feb 2020 #95

One of the saddest things I have ever seen. DU already sucked into the disinformation campaign. warmfeet Feb 2020 #96

Damn Right Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #127

Different Time and Circumstances waterwatcher123 Feb 2020 #102

Holy oxymoron, Batman! BlueWI Feb 2020 #106

Sorry. Bernie may not be our best candidate ... Laelth Feb 2020 #114

Bernie is nothing like McGovern. ananda Feb 2020 #123

We didn't find out just how bad Nixon was TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #125

Yes because almost a half century ago is so very relevant, today. Autumn Feb 2020 #126

Frankly, though, maybe America deserves it dawg day Feb 2020 #129

You have no evidence to support this hypothesis Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #136

I campaigned for McGovern as a 9 year old kid. Zolorp Feb 2020 #139

You are right. krissey Feb 2020 #143

Even Kornacki said last night comparing this to the McGovern election is stupid. OliverQ Feb 2020 #148

The point isn't about how many states he'll lose, but that he will fail to energize the base maximusveritas Feb 2020 #170

The only person who has energized the base at all is Bernie. OliverQ Feb 2020 #171

You're missing the point again. If you're going to run on the far left, you have to do more maximusveritas Feb 2020 #172

Bernie is beating Trump with independents by 18 points. OliverQ Feb 2020 #173

Independents are not the middle either maximusveritas Feb 2020 #175

I voted for McGovern and I'm glad I did. Nitram Feb 2020 #149

OK Boomer ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #151

What is being sold, most voters do not want. democratisphere Feb 2020 #154

Some of our moderate candidates were not yet born when this happened IronLionZion Feb 2020 #156

Bernie presents himself as an "outsider" different than others. Like McGovern. Stuart G Feb 2020 #159

This is not 1972 jimlup Feb 2020 #162

You are very convincing that Bernie will not get 100% of the Vote Rilgin Feb 2020 #164

Sanders would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #165

Trump is salivating at the prospect of running against Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #166

If the Russians want to re-elect Trump makes perfect sense they want Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #168

James Clyburn thinks that sanders is like McGovern Gothmog Feb 2020 #169

if mcgovern is bernie then biden is mondale dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #176

You admit that you were wrong about George McGovern. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #177

you have absolutely no respect. admit it. juxtaposed Feb 2020 #180

Trump just said, "Bernie is the easiest to beat." [posted by highplainsdem) hit link below: Stuart G Feb 2020 #189

Exactly! MineralMan Feb 2020 #193