Democratic Primaries

progressoid

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70. Like Obama did.

Reply to RandySF (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:29 AM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Of course, Sanders can win every primary and lose the nomination in a landslide. [View all] gulliver Feb 2020 OP

You should hope that doesn't happen ibegurpard Feb 2020 #1

Why? It's democracy at work. The pledged delegates are earned by votes of voters. gulliver Feb 2020 #3

If Sanders wins every primary but isn't the nominee then we'll get crushed. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #12

No we won't. People will all get that legitimately elected, pledged delegates... gulliver Feb 2020 #13

You'll have millions of people who will never vote for a Democrat again. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #15

Exactly correct. denem Feb 2020 #18

Well, you're maybe assuming people aren't fair minded or able to discern the rightness... gulliver Feb 2020 #22

If Bernie has the most delegates going into the convention, jimfields33 Feb 2020 #64

I don't think that's how it works. Laelth Feb 2020 #90

Thank you jimfields33 Feb 2020 #108

If that happens, we will lose a LOT of Democratic voters. Forever The Mouth Feb 2020 #111

The rules seem fair to me. Laelth Feb 2020 #112

What's wrong with it is that every Bernie supporter will be pissed The Mouth Feb 2020 #114

You know, there have been candidates who tried to get superdelegates to overturn the ehrnst Feb 2020 #92

nonsense. all these people are going to refuse stopdiggin Feb 2020 #48

Many will vote third party and even more will stay at home. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #52

well the more than amply demonstrated futility of that stopdiggin Feb 2020 #53

Much as "I can't get over how many here still think" LanternWaste Feb 2020 #97

Yeah not that they wouldn't participate jr1118x Feb 2020 #60

How there are people who don't get that is mind-boggling. The same could be said if Bloomberg... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #61

Those people wouldn't vote for a Democrat in the first place. That's the problem. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #96

If he wins every primary, he will be the nominee. That's how the nominee is chosen... ehrnst Feb 2020 #66

Bernie could "win" every primary but still not control a majority of delegates. Laelth Feb 2020 #93

Well, in states with primaries rather than caucuses, anyway. ehrnst Feb 2020 #82

I agree. If Sanders comes in with the most delegates, even if his delegate count is way inadequate Blue_true Feb 2020 #6

the Sanders campaign, and delegates stopdiggin Feb 2020 #49

I really hope they have enough sense not to do something like this. DanTex Feb 2020 #2

Why would it tear the party apart? It's democracy. The candidate chosen would reflect the will gulliver Feb 2020 #4

Because the supporters of the candidate that won the most votes/delegates and then DanTex Feb 2020 #7

Why would they be? Does 30% feel they have the right to defeat 70%? gulliver Feb 2020 #10

You really don't think they would? Really? DanTex Feb 2020 #11

the other 75%, the overwhelming majority, they get a say as well nt msongs Feb 2020 #19

And as important as fairness denem Feb 2020 #24

The GOP is certainly pushing that "inclination" you're talking about. ehrnst Feb 2020 #71

I was just juried on this post flotsam Feb 2020 #99

So instead of the 30 percent candidate, you'll give it to the 28 percent candidate? jimfields33 Feb 2020 #65

So What Horizens Feb 2020 #26

So if the party isn't united, we lose to Trump. That's what. DanTex Feb 2020 #34

possibly. but it's this kind of strong arm argument stopdiggin Feb 2020 #50

+10000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #76

Well said. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #95

The Rules Horizens Feb 2020 #54

The Reality. DanTex Feb 2020 #55

What You Write .... In Other Words Horizens Feb 2020 #56

No I didn't write that at all. DanTex Feb 2020 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Feb 2020 #86

Playing By the Established Rules Horizens Feb 2020 #109

Why do you even think that will happen? When has it ever happened? ehrnst Feb 2020 #69

Um... 30% should overturn the choice of the 70%? ehrnst Feb 2020 #67

If one candidate gets 70% of the pledged delegates, obviously that candidate will be the nominee... DanTex Feb 2020 #68

There have been candidates who have tried to get superdelegates to award ehrnst Feb 2020 #75

And it didn't work, because everyone knows that doing that would tear the party apart DanTex Feb 2020 #78

So why do you think that a candidate would try to do that, ehrnst Feb 2020 #79

I don't know. 2008 was a contentious primary. But in the end the party came together. DanTex Feb 2020 #81

Nice evasion... That was only a 3% difference in the popular vote ehrnst Feb 2020 #83

Umm, that's not an evasion. That actually happened in 2008. And the superdelegates wisely DanTex Feb 2020 #85

I see that question hit a very sore spot. ehrnst Feb 2020 #89

Crickets... ehrnst Feb 2020 #100

It's like baseball....... just because a team wins the most games during the regular season, Fla Dem Feb 2020 #74

Sanders is the only candidate that had a direct hand in writing these rules. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #5

Actually the DNC wrote the rules. DanTex Feb 2020 #8

In consulation with Sanders. Look up the Unity Reform Commission. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #14

Yeah. Sanders wanted to get rid of superdelegates. The DNC refused. DanTex Feb 2020 #21

If Sanders wanted the candidate with the most pledged delegates to win... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #27

Here's the thing. If Bernie gets the most pledged delegates and doesn't get the nomination, DanTex Feb 2020 #33

And I don't give a shit. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #36

That's fine, but the DNC and the delegates do give a shit, which is why they won't do that. DanTex Feb 2020 #38

Then what are you complaining about? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #40

Nothing. Just pointing out that the whole thesis of this OP is incorrect. DanTex Feb 2020 #41

The OP specifically said that the superdelegates wouldn't even matter... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #42

Well, the regular delegates won't do that either. DanTex Feb 2020 #43

And we are to believe that Sanders delegates would do the same for, say, Biden? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #47

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #91

And ... Horizens Feb 2020 #16

Well, if a majority of primary voters... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #9

Yep. And I don't see that happening at all. ehrnst Feb 2020 #80

If it goes beyond a first vote, I can't see many of the delegates won by "moderate" or "centrist"... George II Feb 2020 #17

Whoever gets the most pledged delegates is going to be the nominee. DanTex Feb 2020 #30

Won't happen. It just came out that half his votes in NH's open primary were from repugs. brush Feb 2020 #20

I didn't see that. Codeine Feb 2020 #28

It's not HopeAgain Feb 2020 #104

Fair enough. nt Codeine Feb 2020 #107

I've seen that. And even so, his vote tally this year was half that of 2016. George II Feb 2020 #32

Any actual evidence of this? Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #35

Of course not... HopeAgain Feb 2020 #103

Yeah, it was some random dipshit on Twitter. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #105

Can you link to that? Thanks! jmg257 Feb 2020 #94

Citation? HopeAgain Feb 2020 #101

The rule is Horizens Feb 2020 #23

I can't believe he is still in play Skittles Feb 2020 #25

A thousand times this. Codeine Feb 2020 #29

+1 dalton99a Feb 2020 #31

Bernie's support is very deep. Laelth Feb 2020 #98

for the life of me I cannot understand it Skittles Feb 2020 #110

It is what it is. Laelth Feb 2020 #113

We need to unite and vote against whoever the nominee is running against Trump. Love-All Feb 2020 #37

re:"Even if Sanders gets 30% and the other candidates split the rest to come in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #39

Yes, that's true. gulliver Feb 2020 #44

Good point. A post today shows Biden getting ALL Georgia delegates, with just 32% of the vote, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #63

If we deny the pledged delegates leader or let racist, misogynist Bloomberg buy the nomination... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #45

We do need a lot of change for the better. That's why we have to beat Trump. gulliver Feb 2020 #46

He could even get elected and still lose us the House. RandySF Feb 2020 #51

Like Obama did. progressoid Feb 2020 #70

We won additional seats in 2008 RandySF Feb 2020 #77

So now winning is losing...amazing how Bernie can't win for losing according to TPTB. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #57

What's scary is I read that Trump could lose by 5 million and - dawg day Feb 2020 #59

IF he is at 40% to 49% and no one else is over 30% (which I cannot Celerity Feb 2020 #62

The superdelegates WILL vote on the second ballot. MineralMan Feb 2020 #72

If there's no winner on the first ballot the delegates should be released to vote their conscience.. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #73

If the candidate going into the convention with the most delegates doesn't get the nomination, it still_one Feb 2020 #84

David Plouffe said if the Dems don't nominate the candidate with the most earned delegates Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #87

Good point and a great idea. What happened instead is they sent yet ANOTHER moderate Doremus Feb 2020 #106

Um, I don't think so ... unless it goes to a second ballot. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #88

Winner is decided on getting 50% + 1 of the delegates Coleman Feb 2020 #102