Democratic Primaries

MineralMan

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72. The superdelegates WILL vote on the second ballot.

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:32 AM

Feb 2020

It's not a question, really.

The answer to all of this may well come on March 4, when we see the results from the Super Tuesday states. If things go as I expect, we will have a much clearer picture then of how things are settling out in this primary season.

Right now, we just have results from two states with very small delegations at the convention. We also have a new candidate who didn't participate in those states, but who is advertising heavily in every Super Tuesday state. We have no idea how he will fare or whether Bernie Sanders and Mayor Pete will do on March 3. The entire thing may flip on March 3.

That's only two weeks and change from today. We won't have to wait very long.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Of course, Sanders can win every primary and lose the nomination in a landslide. [View all] gulliver Feb 2020 OP

You should hope that doesn't happen ibegurpard Feb 2020 #1

Why? It's democracy at work. The pledged delegates are earned by votes of voters. gulliver Feb 2020 #3

If Sanders wins every primary but isn't the nominee then we'll get crushed. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #12

No we won't. People will all get that legitimately elected, pledged delegates... gulliver Feb 2020 #13

You'll have millions of people who will never vote for a Democrat again. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #15

Exactly correct. denem Feb 2020 #18

Well, you're maybe assuming people aren't fair minded or able to discern the rightness... gulliver Feb 2020 #22

If Bernie has the most delegates going into the convention, jimfields33 Feb 2020 #64

I don't think that's how it works. Laelth Feb 2020 #90

Thank you jimfields33 Feb 2020 #108

If that happens, we will lose a LOT of Democratic voters. Forever The Mouth Feb 2020 #111

The rules seem fair to me. Laelth Feb 2020 #112

What's wrong with it is that every Bernie supporter will be pissed The Mouth Feb 2020 #114

You know, there have been candidates who tried to get superdelegates to overturn the ehrnst Feb 2020 #92

nonsense. all these people are going to refuse stopdiggin Feb 2020 #48

Many will vote third party and even more will stay at home. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #52

well the more than amply demonstrated futility of that stopdiggin Feb 2020 #53

Much as "I can't get over how many here still think" LanternWaste Feb 2020 #97

Yeah not that they wouldn't participate jr1118x Feb 2020 #60

How there are people who don't get that is mind-boggling. The same could be said if Bloomberg... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #61

Those people wouldn't vote for a Democrat in the first place. That's the problem. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #96

If he wins every primary, he will be the nominee. That's how the nominee is chosen... ehrnst Feb 2020 #66

Bernie could "win" every primary but still not control a majority of delegates. Laelth Feb 2020 #93

Well, in states with primaries rather than caucuses, anyway. ehrnst Feb 2020 #82

I agree. If Sanders comes in with the most delegates, even if his delegate count is way inadequate Blue_true Feb 2020 #6

the Sanders campaign, and delegates stopdiggin Feb 2020 #49

I really hope they have enough sense not to do something like this. DanTex Feb 2020 #2

Why would it tear the party apart? It's democracy. The candidate chosen would reflect the will gulliver Feb 2020 #4

Because the supporters of the candidate that won the most votes/delegates and then DanTex Feb 2020 #7

Why would they be? Does 30% feel they have the right to defeat 70%? gulliver Feb 2020 #10

You really don't think they would? Really? DanTex Feb 2020 #11

the other 75%, the overwhelming majority, they get a say as well nt msongs Feb 2020 #19

And as important as fairness denem Feb 2020 #24

The GOP is certainly pushing that "inclination" you're talking about. ehrnst Feb 2020 #71

I was just juried on this post flotsam Feb 2020 #99

So instead of the 30 percent candidate, you'll give it to the 28 percent candidate? jimfields33 Feb 2020 #65

So What Horizens Feb 2020 #26

So if the party isn't united, we lose to Trump. That's what. DanTex Feb 2020 #34

possibly. but it's this kind of strong arm argument stopdiggin Feb 2020 #50

+10000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #76

Well said. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #95

The Rules Horizens Feb 2020 #54

The Reality. DanTex Feb 2020 #55

What You Write .... In Other Words Horizens Feb 2020 #56

No I didn't write that at all. DanTex Feb 2020 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Feb 2020 #86

Playing By the Established Rules Horizens Feb 2020 #109

Why do you even think that will happen? When has it ever happened? ehrnst Feb 2020 #69

Um... 30% should overturn the choice of the 70%? ehrnst Feb 2020 #67

If one candidate gets 70% of the pledged delegates, obviously that candidate will be the nominee... DanTex Feb 2020 #68

There have been candidates who have tried to get superdelegates to award ehrnst Feb 2020 #75

And it didn't work, because everyone knows that doing that would tear the party apart DanTex Feb 2020 #78

So why do you think that a candidate would try to do that, ehrnst Feb 2020 #79

I don't know. 2008 was a contentious primary. But in the end the party came together. DanTex Feb 2020 #81

Nice evasion... That was only a 3% difference in the popular vote ehrnst Feb 2020 #83

Umm, that's not an evasion. That actually happened in 2008. And the superdelegates wisely DanTex Feb 2020 #85

I see that question hit a very sore spot. ehrnst Feb 2020 #89

Crickets... ehrnst Feb 2020 #100

It's like baseball....... just because a team wins the most games during the regular season, Fla Dem Feb 2020 #74

Sanders is the only candidate that had a direct hand in writing these rules. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #5

Actually the DNC wrote the rules. DanTex Feb 2020 #8

In consulation with Sanders. Look up the Unity Reform Commission. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #14

Yeah. Sanders wanted to get rid of superdelegates. The DNC refused. DanTex Feb 2020 #21

If Sanders wanted the candidate with the most pledged delegates to win... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #27

Here's the thing. If Bernie gets the most pledged delegates and doesn't get the nomination, DanTex Feb 2020 #33

And I don't give a shit. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #36

That's fine, but the DNC and the delegates do give a shit, which is why they won't do that. DanTex Feb 2020 #38

Then what are you complaining about? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #40

Nothing. Just pointing out that the whole thesis of this OP is incorrect. DanTex Feb 2020 #41

The OP specifically said that the superdelegates wouldn't even matter... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #42

Well, the regular delegates won't do that either. DanTex Feb 2020 #43

And we are to believe that Sanders delegates would do the same for, say, Biden? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #47

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #91

And ... Horizens Feb 2020 #16

Well, if a majority of primary voters... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #9

Yep. And I don't see that happening at all. ehrnst Feb 2020 #80

If it goes beyond a first vote, I can't see many of the delegates won by "moderate" or "centrist"... George II Feb 2020 #17

Whoever gets the most pledged delegates is going to be the nominee. DanTex Feb 2020 #30

Won't happen. It just came out that half his votes in NH's open primary were from repugs. brush Feb 2020 #20

I didn't see that. Codeine Feb 2020 #28

It's not HopeAgain Feb 2020 #104

Fair enough. nt Codeine Feb 2020 #107

I've seen that. And even so, his vote tally this year was half that of 2016. George II Feb 2020 #32

Any actual evidence of this? Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #35

Of course not... HopeAgain Feb 2020 #103

Yeah, it was some random dipshit on Twitter. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #105

Can you link to that? Thanks! jmg257 Feb 2020 #94

Citation? HopeAgain Feb 2020 #101

The rule is Horizens Feb 2020 #23

I can't believe he is still in play Skittles Feb 2020 #25

A thousand times this. Codeine Feb 2020 #29

+1 dalton99a Feb 2020 #31

Bernie's support is very deep. Laelth Feb 2020 #98

for the life of me I cannot understand it Skittles Feb 2020 #110

It is what it is. Laelth Feb 2020 #113

We need to unite and vote against whoever the nominee is running against Trump. Love-All Feb 2020 #37

re:"Even if Sanders gets 30% and the other candidates split the rest to come in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #39

Yes, that's true. gulliver Feb 2020 #44

Good point. A post today shows Biden getting ALL Georgia delegates, with just 32% of the vote, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #63

If we deny the pledged delegates leader or let racist, misogynist Bloomberg buy the nomination... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #45

We do need a lot of change for the better. That's why we have to beat Trump. gulliver Feb 2020 #46

He could even get elected and still lose us the House. RandySF Feb 2020 #51

Like Obama did. progressoid Feb 2020 #70

We won additional seats in 2008 RandySF Feb 2020 #77

So now winning is losing...amazing how Bernie can't win for losing according to TPTB. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #57

What's scary is I read that Trump could lose by 5 million and - dawg day Feb 2020 #59

IF he is at 40% to 49% and no one else is over 30% (which I cannot Celerity Feb 2020 #62

The superdelegates WILL vote on the second ballot. MineralMan Feb 2020 #72

If there's no winner on the first ballot the delegates should be released to vote their conscience.. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #73

If the candidate going into the convention with the most delegates doesn't get the nomination, it still_one Feb 2020 #84

David Plouffe said if the Dems don't nominate the candidate with the most earned delegates Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #87

Good point and a great idea. What happened instead is they sent yet ANOTHER moderate Doremus Feb 2020 #106

Um, I don't think so ... unless it goes to a second ballot. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #88

Winner is decided on getting 50% + 1 of the delegates Coleman Feb 2020 #102