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In reply to the discussion: A question on sanders voter revolution [View all]Gothmog
(181,598 posts)59. No, radical policies won't drive election-winning turnout
The concept of a magical voter revolution is debunked
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Sanderss explanation of why this is not a problem is simple, and he has repeated it endlessly. When a member of the Los Angeles Times editorial board asked him whether a candidate as far to the left as you would alienate swing voters and moderates and independents, the senator replied: The only way that you beat Trump is by having an unprecedented campaign, an unprecedentedly large voter turnout. Faiz Shakir, Sanderss campaign manager, adds: Bernie Sanders has very unique appeal amongst [the younger] generation and can inspire, I think, a bunch of them to vote in percentages that they have never voted before.
This has remarkably little empirical support. Take the 2018 midterm elections, in which the Democrats took back the House (a net 40-seat gain), carried the House popular vote by almost nine points and flipped seven Republican-held governorships. Turnout in that election was outstanding, topping 49 percent the highest midterm turnout since 1914 and up 13 points over the previous midterm, in 2014 and the demographic composition of the electorate came remarkably close to that of a presidential election year. (Typically, midterm voters tend to be much older and much whiter than those in presidential elections.) This was due both to fewer presidential drop-off voters (people who voted in 2016 but not 2018) and to more midterm surge voters (those who voted in 2018 but not 2016) ..
This analysis shreds an implicit assumption of Sanders and other members of the turnout-will-solve-everything crowd: that if they polarize the election by highlighting progressive issues, their nonvoters will show up at the polls, but none of the nonvoters from the other side will. That view is also contradicted by many political science studies. Stanford political scientists Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson, for example, studied House races between 2006 and 2014 and found that highly ideological candidates who beat moderates for a party nomination indeed increased turnout in their own party in the general election but they increased the opposition turnout even more. (The difference was between three and eight percentage points.) Apparently, their extreme political stances did more to turn out the other side to vote against them than to turn out their own side to vote for them.
The turnout equation does not necessarily return positive results for a candidate like Sanders. The reverse is more likely. It is truly magical thinking to believe that, in a highly polarized situation, only your side gets to increase turnout. And if the other side turns out in droves, you might not like the results a warning Democrats would be wise to heed.
This has remarkably little empirical support. Take the 2018 midterm elections, in which the Democrats took back the House (a net 40-seat gain), carried the House popular vote by almost nine points and flipped seven Republican-held governorships. Turnout in that election was outstanding, topping 49 percent the highest midterm turnout since 1914 and up 13 points over the previous midterm, in 2014 and the demographic composition of the electorate came remarkably close to that of a presidential election year. (Typically, midterm voters tend to be much older and much whiter than those in presidential elections.) This was due both to fewer presidential drop-off voters (people who voted in 2016 but not 2018) and to more midterm surge voters (those who voted in 2018 but not 2016) ..
This analysis shreds an implicit assumption of Sanders and other members of the turnout-will-solve-everything crowd: that if they polarize the election by highlighting progressive issues, their nonvoters will show up at the polls, but none of the nonvoters from the other side will. That view is also contradicted by many political science studies. Stanford political scientists Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson, for example, studied House races between 2006 and 2014 and found that highly ideological candidates who beat moderates for a party nomination indeed increased turnout in their own party in the general election but they increased the opposition turnout even more. (The difference was between three and eight percentage points.) Apparently, their extreme political stances did more to turn out the other side to vote against them than to turn out their own side to vote for them.
The turnout equation does not necessarily return positive results for a candidate like Sanders. The reverse is more likely. It is truly magical thinking to believe that, in a highly polarized situation, only your side gets to increase turnout. And if the other side turns out in droves, you might not like the results a warning Democrats would be wise to heed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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sanders has been in Congress for 30 years and had no legislative accomplishments
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#4
"progressives" have claimed an invisible "progressive" majority exists for a 100 years
wyldwolf
Jan 2020
#16
All of sanders plans are pipedreams that will never be adopted in the real world
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#19
why is it called a revolution? Im still trying to figure out what BS has done as a Senator...
samnsara
Jan 2020
#26
Is this any different than Biden saying he'll get Republican support for his proposals?
LonePirate
Jan 2020
#27
I think everyone understands that the GOP will stand in the way of any candidate's agenda.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#30
But sanders keeps promising his voter revolution will force the GOP to be reasonable
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#31
No such promises made by Biden... simply an expressed sentiment on his part.
LanternWaste
Jan 2020
#35
Not exactly sure where you get that one is a "promise" and the other is a "sentiment".
DanTex
Jan 2020
#36
I have questions about this voter revolution that sanders supporters are unable to answer
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#40
"I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments"
NurseJackie
Jan 2020
#42