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Gothmog

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59. No, radical policies won't drive election-winning turnout
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020

The concept of a magical voter revolution is debunked



Sanders’s explanation of why this is not a problem is simple, and he has repeated it endlessly. When a member of the Los Angeles Times editorial board asked him whether “a candidate as far to the left as you” would “alienate swing voters and moderates and independents,” the senator replied: “The only way that you beat Trump is by having an unprecedented campaign, an unprecedentedly large voter turnout.” Faiz Shakir, Sanders’s campaign manager, adds: “Bernie Sanders has very unique appeal amongst [the younger] generation and can inspire, I think, a bunch of them to vote in percentages that they have never voted before.”

This has remarkably little empirical support. Take the 2018 midterm elections, in which the Democrats took back the House (a net 40-seat gain), carried the House popular vote by almost nine points and flipped seven Republican-held governorships. Turnout in that election was outstanding, topping 49 percent — the highest midterm turnout since 1914 and up 13 points over the previous midterm, in 2014 — and the demographic composition of the electorate came remarkably close to that of a presidential election year. (Typically, midterm voters tend to be much older and much whiter than those in presidential elections.) This was due both to fewer presidential “drop-off” voters (people who voted in 2016 but not 2018) and to more midterm “surge” voters (those who voted in 2018 but not 2016)…..

This analysis shreds an implicit assumption of Sanders and other members of the turnout-will-solve-everything crowd: that if they polarize the election by highlighting progressive issues, “their” nonvoters will show up at the polls, but none of the nonvoters from the other side will. That view is also contradicted by many political science studies. Stanford political scientists Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson, for example, studied House races between 2006 and 2014 and found that highly ideological candidates who beat moderates for a party nomination indeed increased turnout in their own party in the general election — but they increased the opposition turnout even more. (The difference was between three and eight percentage points.) Apparently, their extreme political stances did more to turn out the other side to vote against them than to turn out their own side to vote for them.

The turnout equation does not necessarily return positive results for a candidate like Sanders. The reverse is more likely. It is truly magical thinking to believe that, in a highly polarized situation, only your side gets to increase turnout. And if the other side turns out in droves, you might not like the results — a warning Democrats would be wise to heed.
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Everything looks impossible ... loveboy Jan 2020 #1
One can make all the grand promises in the world... ehrnst Jan 2020 #2
sanders has been in Congress for 30 years and had no legislative accomplishments Gothmog Jan 2020 #4
Whatabout boomer_wv Jan 2020 #6
I still can't believe we don't know the name of the 2nd post office. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #9
Matthew Lyon boomer_wv Jan 2020 #10
Thank you! The Valley Below Jan 2020 #11
Thank you Gothmog Jan 2020 #20
You speak musicman65 Jan 2020 #17
He's just beginning. LOL Standard line. Used for 40 years. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #50
I agree. You can't achieve it saying that it won't happen. Malmsy Jan 2020 #13
But you can NOT achieve it while endlessly saying that you can... brooklynite Jan 2020 #25
Every answer is a reponse. Not every reponse is an answer. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #33
Or until it becomes even further away by electing a Trump. nt MH1 Jan 2020 #34
Down ballot candidate would be killed by this platform Gothmog Feb 2020 #61
Where is this voter revolution? Gothmog Feb 2020 #62
Yes, I've noticed an uncharacteristic silence on that issue from the candiate. ehrnst Jan 2020 #3
Having the "bully pulpit" would help romachrome Jan 2020 #5
Not really. boomer_wv Jan 2020 #7
That's true of every Democrat at this point. flor-de-jasmim Feb 2020 #51
Again, how does this voter revolution work in the real world? Gothmog Jan 2020 #21
Beats me. romachrome Jan 2020 #23
sanders' platform is dependent on this revolution Gothmog Jan 2020 #24
Politics is the art of the possible. romachrome Jan 2020 #37
What are sanders' legislative a. Omplishmentsin the real world? Gothmog Jan 2020 #38
Going to the moon did not seem impossible in 60s delisen Feb 2020 #54
Bernie cannot convince anyone unless NYMinute Jan 2020 #8
He inspires people who weren't inspired by any other candidate. Malmsy Jan 2020 #12
Where are these people? Gothmog Jan 2020 #15
"progressives" have claimed an invisible "progressive" majority exists for a 100 years wyldwolf Jan 2020 #16
Where are these so-called progressives? Gothmog Jan 2020 #18
Its like some prophesy on ancient scrolls... wyldwolf Jan 2020 #22
K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #14
All of sanders plans are pipedreams that will never be adopted in the real world Gothmog Jan 2020 #19
why is it called a revolution? Im still trying to figure out what BS has done as a Senator... samnsara Jan 2020 #26
Is this any different than Biden saying he'll get Republican support for his proposals? LonePirate Jan 2020 #27
The same can be said of Biden's agenda... Oldest_Millenial Jan 2020 #28
Again why trust sanders when his agenda is dependent on a voter revolution Gothmog Jan 2020 #29
I think everyone understands that the GOP will stand in the way of any candidate's agenda. DanTex Jan 2020 #30
But sanders keeps promising his voter revolution will force the GOP to be reasonable Gothmog Jan 2020 #31
Yeah, and Biden promises his collegiality will get the GOP to be reasonable. DanTex Jan 2020 #32
No such promises made by Biden... simply an expressed sentiment on his part. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #35
Not exactly sure where you get that one is a "promise" and the other is a "sentiment". DanTex Jan 2020 #36
sanders does not have a magic wand Gothmog Feb 2020 #58
So sanders is promising pipedreams that cannot be adopted in the real world Gothmog Jan 2020 #41
"If you don't vote for My Revolution, I'll just go around and yell louder dalton99a Jan 2020 #39
I have questions about this voter revolution that sanders supporters are unable to answer Gothmog Jan 2020 #40
"I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments" NurseJackie Jan 2020 #42
Without this voter revolution. None of sanders' propsal will be adopted Gothmog Jan 2020 #43
It would be a regressive move. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #44
Brilliant. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #53
Is this how sanders' silly voter revolution is going to work? Gothmog Feb 2020 #45
How does giving meaningless speeches get a program adopted in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #46
Biden feels my pain. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #48
I'd say the latter. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #47
The new Democratic Party motto ripcord Feb 2020 #49
He can't convince anyone Republicans won't work with him... Historic NY Feb 2020 #52
How is wagging his finger at Mitch going to work in the real world? Gothmog Feb 2020 #56
This makes me smile-where is the magical voter revolution? Gothmog Feb 2020 #55
FactCheck Posts-- Sanders Spins Young Voter Turnout in Iowa Gothmog Feb 2020 #57
No, radical policies won't drive election-winning turnout Gothmog Feb 2020 #59
There will be no magical voter revolution Gothmog Feb 2020 #60
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