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Downtown Hound

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17. You: "We're going to reject anyone we consider too liberal, and not give it a second thought"
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 08:04 PM
Feb 2020

Also you: supports Amy Klobuchar, the empathy candidate.

I'm not knocking the notion of a swing voter. I'm saying that they're not nearly as important as you think they are because the electorate is much different this year than it has ever been. There are only two age brackets where Trump has a net positive approval rating, and those are boomers and silents. And even among those generations, it's only a little bit positive. Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z will comprise more than 60% of the electorate in 2020. Gen X leans liberal, Gen Z and Millennials are overwhelmingly liberal. Get enough of those generations out to vote, and Trump will lose.

I'm not knocking the idea of swing voters. I'm knocking the idea that we need to pander to them so much wile ignoring the fact that we have the power to overwhelmingly defeat Trump without them if we can just inspire enough young people to vote. And Sanders is by far the most popular candidate running amongst those age groups.

https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-millennials-generation-z-8c54a77a-c6f5-40bc-850c-95e4f1217e62.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Bernie is currently polling +18% among Independents OliverQ Feb 2020 #1
reading is fundamental wyldwolf Feb 2020 #9
Swing voters. rownesheck Feb 2020 #2
I've always wondered what these people are like. Amimnoch Feb 2020 #67
branding evertonfc Feb 2020 #3
The claimed 'Blue Wave' certainly did not carry 2018, and cannot carry GE 2020 empedocles Feb 2020 #4
Ken Stern, author of Republican Like Me: How I Left the Liberal Bubble and Learned to Love the Right DanTex Feb 2020 #5
Lol. Jennifer Rubin must have been busy. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #72
I'd really like to know who a "key" voter is. I thought there were either voters, Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #6
Swing voters in the swing states...we need to pick the person most likely they will vote for. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #7
Key voters are those in swing states who are open to vote for a Democratic nominee andym Feb 2020 #8
Rachel Bitecofer's model says swing voters are irrelevant, not "key" Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #10
We do have to attrack more voters than just us Dems to win. Same with repug as both... brush Feb 2020 #11
Nope- not according to Bitecofer's model Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #18
Who said anything about persuading trump voters. We still need Independents. brush Feb 2020 #19
Many have insisted we need to "flip" independent swing voters Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #21
That's who I was referring to. About 40% of voters are non-affiliated. brush Feb 2020 #23
But if they voted for HRC in 2016, they don't need to be "flipped" Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #33
Hope so, but remember, some 77k of them in 3 states were pivotal in trump's EC win brush Feb 2020 #35
1% or less of the total vote in each Rust Belt state Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #38
Then Bitecofer is an idiot...if we lose WI, MI and PA...we are toast...swing states. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #25
Well, I know 4 moderate R's , who voted here in PA for Trump. apcalc Feb 2020 #30
So if Warren or Sanders are the nominee, they'll stay home? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #34
I'm not sure what they'll do. Trump again, over them? apcalc Feb 2020 #37
Many cling to outdated notions about the electorate. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #70
The truth that many do not want to acknowledge is this: Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #12
Risk betting on young voters showing up on election day is not a good bet. There just happens to.. brush Feb 2020 #24
What happened in 2016 Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #32
Oh please, I'm a Gen X'er who grew up watching Red Dawn and Rambo movies Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #40
Glad you're over it but are you willing to bet that others on different ends of the ideological... brush Feb 2020 #59
Yeah, I'd make that bet Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #60
I couldn't disagree more. And maybe change your icon to Sanders if you're so sure. brush Feb 2020 #61
The math doesn't lie Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #62
To draw that conclusion after only two tiny all-white states have voted is just silly. brush Feb 2020 #63
As I've posted in numerous posts now Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #64
Believe that if you want. The 2018 House takeover was of moderates flipping mostly red districts brush Feb 2020 #65
You can't compare localized races in different areas of the country to a national election Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #66
Whatever. Enough Dems know a socialist can't win the GE so he won't wi our primary. Have a good day. brush Feb 2020 #68
I decide what my icon is, not you. Thanks. Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #69
So why are you supporting Joe Biden? Cha Feb 2020 #71
Because I like Biden Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #73
Total BS...young voters do not turn out in sufficient numbers ...we need swing voters or we will Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #26
See post 39. n/t Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #41
This is like Lucy with the football. Every election since at least 1972, Squinch Feb 2020 #36
Then perhaps you could explain to me how, in 2018, Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #39
OK, yes. Young people did turn out in large numbers in 2018. That was also an election Squinch Feb 2020 #42
Do you realize what you just wrote makes no sense? Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #43
Who won in 2018? Was it the Our Revolution candidates? Did the young people who Squinch Feb 2020 #44
Dems won in 2018 Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #45
No. ALMOST NO Our Revolution candidates won. Lots of young people voted, and Squinch Feb 2020 #46
Again, missing the point Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #47
I'm saying that there is no data which indicates Sanders will be any more of an incentive Squinch Feb 2020 #49
Answer the question Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #50
No. That's not what I'm saying. I am saying that the same number will come out whether it's Squinch Feb 2020 #51
If that's true then Sanders wins anyways Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #53
Because he turns off a lot of other voters. He and his followers do not shy away from this fact. Squinch Feb 2020 #55
Going back to my earlier question, are these moderate voters of the older generations Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #57
You've actually got posters here mocking the notion of a swing voter Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #13
There was a faction here in the early 2000s that said... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #15
You: "We're going to reject anyone we consider too liberal, and not give it a second thought" Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #17
Your anecdotes are trumped by Bitecofer's data. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #20
+100000 Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #27
Can't sell socialism to voters when they have the perception that oasis Feb 2020 #14
Interesting read. The writer basically ignores data and instead uses the criteria Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #16
Bernie's imploding all the way to first place! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #22
Well he will be last place in a general and Trump gets four more years...I would vote for him but... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #28
Elizabeth Warren is NOT a socialist. She doesn't even play one on TV. pnwmom Feb 2020 #29
Socialism is the best way I know to lose an election. democratisphere Feb 2020 #31
sanders appears to have a hard cap of 25% of the Democratdic party electorate Gothmog Feb 2020 #48
So are you saying that 75% of Dems won't vote for him if he's the nominee? Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #54
I will support the nominee of the party even if it is sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #56
It looks like he's doing just fine so far. Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #58
We are 9 months away, polls mean meh Champion Jack Feb 2020 #52
Socialism would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #74
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