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Fiendish Thingy

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21. Many have insisted we need to "flip" independent swing voters

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:12 PM

Feb 2020

If someone is a swing voter who needs to be “flipped”, that implies they voted for Trump.

I don’t hear anyone saying we need to focus on Independents who voted for Hillary in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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"Swing Voters Draw the Line at Socialists": New Polling Suggests Key Voters Are Skeptical on Bernie [View all] wyldwolf Feb 2020 OP

Bernie is currently polling +18% among Independents OliverQ Feb 2020 #1

reading is fundamental wyldwolf Feb 2020 #9

Swing voters. rownesheck Feb 2020 #2

I've always wondered what these people are like. Amimnoch Feb 2020 #67

branding evertonfc Feb 2020 #3

The claimed 'Blue Wave' certainly did not carry 2018, and cannot carry GE 2020 empedocles Feb 2020 #4

Ken Stern, author of Republican Like Me: How I Left the Liberal Bubble and Learned to Love the Right DanTex Feb 2020 #5

Lol. Jennifer Rubin must have been busy. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #72

I'd really like to know who a "key" voter is. I thought there were either voters, Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #6

Swing voters in the swing states...we need to pick the person most likely they will vote for. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #7

Key voters are those in swing states who are open to vote for a Democratic nominee andym Feb 2020 #8

Rachel Bitecofer's model says swing voters are irrelevant, not "key" Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #10

We do have to attrack more voters than just us Dems to win. Same with repug as both... brush Feb 2020 #11

Nope- not according to Bitecofer's model Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #18

Who said anything about persuading trump voters. We still need Independents. brush Feb 2020 #19

Many have insisted we need to "flip" independent swing voters Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #21

That's who I was referring to. About 40% of voters are non-affiliated. brush Feb 2020 #23

But if they voted for HRC in 2016, they don't need to be "flipped" Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #33

Hope so, but remember, some 77k of them in 3 states were pivotal in trump's EC win brush Feb 2020 #35

1% or less of the total vote in each Rust Belt state Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #38

Then Bitecofer is an idiot...if we lose WI, MI and PA...we are toast...swing states. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #25

Well, I know 4 moderate R's , who voted here in PA for Trump. apcalc Feb 2020 #30

So if Warren or Sanders are the nominee, they'll stay home? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #34

I'm not sure what they'll do. Trump again, over them? apcalc Feb 2020 #37

Many cling to outdated notions about the electorate. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #70

The truth that many do not want to acknowledge is this: Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #12

Risk betting on young voters showing up on election day is not a good bet. There just happens to.. brush Feb 2020 #24

What happened in 2016 Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #32

Oh please, I'm a Gen X'er who grew up watching Red Dawn and Rambo movies Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #40

Glad you're over it but are you willing to bet that others on different ends of the ideological... brush Feb 2020 #59

Yeah, I'd make that bet Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #60

I couldn't disagree more. And maybe change your icon to Sanders if you're so sure. brush Feb 2020 #61

The math doesn't lie Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #62

To draw that conclusion after only two tiny all-white states have voted is just silly. brush Feb 2020 #63

As I've posted in numerous posts now Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #64

Believe that if you want. The 2018 House takeover was of moderates flipping mostly red districts brush Feb 2020 #65

You can't compare localized races in different areas of the country to a national election Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #66

Whatever. Enough Dems know a socialist can't win the GE so he won't wi our primary. Have a good day. brush Feb 2020 #68

I decide what my icon is, not you. Thanks. Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #69

So why are you supporting Joe Biden? Cha Feb 2020 #71

Because I like Biden Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #73

Total BS...young voters do not turn out in sufficient numbers ...we need swing voters or we will Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #26

See post 39. n/t Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #41

This is like Lucy with the football. Every election since at least 1972, Squinch Feb 2020 #36

Then perhaps you could explain to me how, in 2018, Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #39

OK, yes. Young people did turn out in large numbers in 2018. That was also an election Squinch Feb 2020 #42

Do you realize what you just wrote makes no sense? Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #43

Who won in 2018? Was it the Our Revolution candidates? Did the young people who Squinch Feb 2020 #44

Dems won in 2018 Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #45

No. ALMOST NO Our Revolution candidates won. Lots of young people voted, and Squinch Feb 2020 #46

Again, missing the point Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #47

I'm saying that there is no data which indicates Sanders will be any more of an incentive Squinch Feb 2020 #49

Answer the question Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #50

No. That's not what I'm saying. I am saying that the same number will come out whether it's Squinch Feb 2020 #51

If that's true then Sanders wins anyways Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #53

Because he turns off a lot of other voters. He and his followers do not shy away from this fact. Squinch Feb 2020 #55

Going back to my earlier question, are these moderate voters of the older generations Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #57

You've actually got posters here mocking the notion of a swing voter Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #13

There was a faction here in the early 2000s that said... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #15

You: "We're going to reject anyone we consider too liberal, and not give it a second thought" Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #17

Your anecdotes are trumped by Bitecofer's data. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #20

+100000 Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #27

Can't sell socialism to voters when they have the perception that oasis Feb 2020 #14

Interesting read. The writer basically ignores data and instead uses the criteria Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #16

Bernie's imploding all the way to first place! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #22

Well he will be last place in a general and Trump gets four more years...I would vote for him but... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #28

Elizabeth Warren is NOT a socialist. She doesn't even play one on TV. pnwmom Feb 2020 #29

Socialism is the best way I know to lose an election. democratisphere Feb 2020 #31

sanders appears to have a hard cap of 25% of the Democratdic party electorate Gothmog Feb 2020 #48

So are you saying that 75% of Dems won't vote for him if he's the nominee? Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #54

I will support the nominee of the party even if it is sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #56

It looks like he's doing just fine so far. Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #58

We are 9 months away, polls mean meh Champion Jack Feb 2020 #52

Socialism would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #74