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The Velveteen Ocelot

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28. No country in the world has 100% free health care for everything.

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:48 AM

Feb 2020

Even the most generous programs have some costs to the consumer. Bernie likes to use the Nordic model as an example, but medical care isn't free in those countries either. For example:

Healthcare in Norway is not free. Residents must pay for all treatment and even a standard consultation with a GP. However, once a person reaches an annual limit of expenditure (currently just over 2,000kr), they receive an exemption card which entitles them to free treatment for the remainder of the year. This system ensures that everyone pays a little, but the sick are not burdened with the stress of huge medical bills. The exemptions to this system include children under sixteen and pregnant women, who receive free healthcare.

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/healthcare/

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Sanders Applauds New Medicare for All Study: Will Save Americans $450 Billion and Prevent [View all] Uncle Joe Feb 2020 OP

Warren's November 2019 projections are much higher. Somebody better reconcile Hoyt Feb 2020 #1

Will Sanders ever disclose how much it will cost and how he pays for it? calguy Feb 2020 #2

It costs less MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #3

It's amazing how many people don't understand what "costs less" means. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #6

Gee Like Every Other Advanced Nation Covers Every Citizen DanieRains Feb 2020 #35

YOU SAID IT UNCLE JOE!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #76

50 years of right wing propaganda have distorted perception Prosper Feb 2020 #83

But you totally miss the point calguy Feb 2020 #21

from the article questionseverything Feb 2020 #25

Study after study...decade after decade MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #44

+1 lunasun Feb 2020 #79

It's in a highly ranked, peer-reviewed journal greymattermom Feb 2020 #53

But it doesn't cost *everyone* less Recursion Feb 2020 #43

Yes, people who make a lot of money pay a little bit more MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #45

Lots of people get free insurance Recursion Feb 2020 #46

Did this paragraph mean anything to you? Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #5

Which paragraph? sheshe2 Feb 2020 #9

The only one Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #11

Well at least I'm better informed about how many brothers from my generation died in Viet Nam calguy Feb 2020 #23

We already spend more than any other developed country on health care yet totodeinhere Feb 2020 #27

And military spending. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #29

You may want to cruise through the study referenced in the OP. ramen Feb 2020 #30

My wife spent a lifetime in medical billing at140 Feb 2020 #55

Gosh. He applauded a study? Wow. Squinch Feb 2020 #4

Oh and read this... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #15

The Lancet is a very good source BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #7

I'm sure other publications or sources will be reporting on aspects of this study as well, Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #8

I want to read the study BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #10

Well the only way around that is to pay them. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #12

Just curious why a medical journal Progressive dog Feb 2020 #13

They have about 90 citations to a wide range of supportive research and other documentation. JudyM Feb 2020 #38

Thye article is an opinion piece with Progressive dog Feb 2020 #68

Because Corporate Profit Is More Important Than Human Life DanieRains Feb 2020 #39

That is a well reasoned argument Progressive dog Feb 2020 #67

It's a study by the Yale school of Public Health. It combines healthcare with many disciplines Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #56

No it is a paper with simplistic options Progressive dog Feb 2020 #66

Cost less, not free.... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #14

You chopped off a key part of that paragraph. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #16

First of all Bernie said it was free. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #17

Where in the OP or anywhere else for that matter do you see Bernie saying it's free? Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #18

His stump speeches. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #19

Free at the POINT OF SERVICE just means you don't pay to see a doctor or have surgery and Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #24

Some do. nt sheshe2 Feb 2020 #26

No country in the world has 100% free health care for everything. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #28

That seems like a very sane system ramen Feb 2020 #31

It does. But... The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #34

I am totally comfortable with that health care plan not happening like a switch flipped. ramen Feb 2020 #49

But it seems like many voters really think The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #50

If enough of the elctorate demands it with their votes and dollars, ramen Feb 2020 #60

The reality is that most Democrats are in the middle of the road somewhere poltically. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #61

I hope someone's does someday, if that is the case. nt ramen Feb 2020 #65

Free at point of service is free at point of service dualboy24 Feb 2020 #74

Warren set out how she would pay for it. denem Feb 2020 #20

Warren's health plan is great by me. ramen Feb 2020 #32

When Warren was the front runner denem Feb 2020 #33

My Medicare for All plan gives everyone good insurance & cuts their health care costs to nearly zero progressoid Feb 2020 #22

The next step is for employers to pass on their savings in overhead greymattermom Feb 2020 #54

It costs less MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #36

Thanks for the addition MoonlitKnight. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #37

Empirically the best option MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #42

Then why so so few countries use single payer? Recursion Feb 2020 #47

K&R. Important to post these research results. JudyM Feb 2020 #40

kick floppyboo Feb 2020 #41

68 ,000 lives saved a year is constantly overlooked Prosper Feb 2020 #48

Did the article say when that year starts? That matters. Until then we have Blue_true Feb 2020 #72

66000 people are dying earlier because of lack of healthcare. Prosper Feb 2020 #80

You didn't answer my question, you did a diversion. Blue_true Feb 2020 #81

Could we get there as fast or faster by simply expanding the ACA? Prosper Feb 2020 #82

The people you need to convince are not the people here... brooklynite Feb 2020 #51

I have to admit RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #52

Won't they please think of those who want to keep their expensive, inefficient private insurance? LonePirate Feb 2020 #57

Unfortunately that's a lot of people, and they vote Recursion Feb 2020 #62

It is not a joke, it is a sad testament on life that some on the left are as ignorant as the right. LonePirate Feb 2020 #63

Hope Sanders and Warren get together to explain whey the are so far apart on projected costs. Hoyt Feb 2020 #58

Highly dubious. ucrdem Feb 2020 #59

I made that point in a less literate way. Blue_true Feb 2020 #73

Exactly. Sanders is a great pitchman but M4A is basically a faith-based initiative. ucrdem Feb 2020 #78

But, but...his surrogates tell us it will never happen robbedvoter Feb 2020 #64

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Welcome to D.U. TangledUpInBlue Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #70

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Well that person is.... Blue_true Feb 2020 #75

We need this.. I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2020 #77