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burrowowl

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139. I prefer a democratic socialist to neoliberals (I.e. laissez-faire capitalist, robber barons).

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Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:57 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie Sanders lavishes praise on Communist Russia / Jonathan Alter comment [View all] highplainsdem Feb 2020 OP

Meh. He had a good time dalton99a Feb 2020 #1

Jonathan Alter giving up his facade of journalistic integrity to bash Bernie. DanTex Feb 2020 #2

Unless he says anything that isn't true he hasn't given up his journalistic integrity. George II Feb 2020 #5

He's stating an anti-Bernie opinion based on a selectively edited video. DanTex Feb 2020 #10

Can you post the full video Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #41

Why don't you ask the person who posted it lol... DanTex Feb 2020 #50

No I'm asking you Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #56

LOL. Actually the burden is on the Biden supporter who did the misleading edit. DanTex Feb 2020 #59

No the burden is on the person who made the accusation Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #60

Like most bernie folks, calguy Feb 2020 #80

Perfect illustration of how progressive voices are silenced here. KSNY Feb 2020 #105

Calling someone on a lie isn't being a bully... Callado119 Feb 2020 #192

I watched the full video the OP is deceptive KSNY Feb 2020 #199

Please. There are many videos of Sanders extolling the virtures of communism/socialism. brush Feb 2020 #205

Democratic socialism is not communism, but keep quoting Trump... KSNY Feb 2020 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Feb 2020 #208

I wrote communism/socialism. You do know Sanders has been calling himself a socialist for decades... brush Feb 2020 #209

When you place the term "communism" first, your comment sounds like Trump KSNY Feb 2020 #214

OK, commuism is a form of socialism though. brush Feb 2020 #215

You didn't ask me, but I've seen the full video. subterranean Feb 2020 #104

THANK YOU !! pangaia Feb 2020 #111

Thanks burrowowl Feb 2020 #219

Thank you for posting the full video! TheRickles Feb 2020 #114

You're welcome. It's not the first time it's been brought up here. subterranean Feb 2020 #145

Alter and Biden look bad given the full video and acknowledging the context and that it was 1988 PufPuf23 Feb 2020 #136

You saved me a lot of typing. Thank you. Sympthsical Feb 2020 #173

Thanks Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #163

See, this is the way it works, dware Feb 2020 #216

If he can't wallyworld2 Feb 2020 #146

Thanks Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #164

'selectively edited'? denem Feb 2020 #53

Yeah cause some of Bernie's surrogates never do that. David Sirota redstateblues Feb 2020 #85

Lindy Li's twitter statement , if taking what is in that video excerpt, is a shit-filled lie. pangaia Feb 2020 #110

bash him with his own words? I disagree with Alter about the "conned" part robbedvoter Feb 2020 #12

"conned" was not Bernie's word. Neither was anything else Alter said. DanTex Feb 2020 #20

I imagine he doesn't see himself in a bread line. cwydro Feb 2020 #102

Considering how ridiculous Sanders' enthusing about the joys of Communist Russia looks, I'd highplainsdem Feb 2020 #17

Bernie was talking about some cultural program, not all of Soviet society. DanTex Feb 2020 #23

No, Sanders' credibility is out the window. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #27

REallY? Me. Feb 2020 #34

Spin all you want, this is a permanent stain of Communism on the record of Sanders Zolorp Feb 2020 #35

He was saying he was impressed with what he saw in Moscow. He may very well have realized brewens Feb 2020 #152

There are probably many more much worse calguy Feb 2020 #71

Sanders was absolutely NOT "enthusing about the joys of Communist Russia" pangaia Feb 2020 #113

I spent some time in East Germany a few years before 1988. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #148

Add in the fact that you were almost certainly being observed by the Stasi. Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #154

I'm sure that I was. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #160

Looks like Bernie was bashing himself calguy Feb 2020 #33

LOL. No, Bernie was talking about some cultural program in Russia. DanTex Feb 2020 #38

You cannot spin this away. Zolorp Feb 2020 #40

The only person spinning is Jonathan Alter. DanTex Feb 2020 #48

Alter is simply speaking truth. Zolorp Feb 2020 #54

The truth is ugly. Socialist Worker's Party for one redstateblues Feb 2020 #86

Glasnost TheRickles Feb 2020 #118

You wear the naivety dress so well calguy Feb 2020 #51

Doesn't matter. When you're explaining, you're losing. tinrobot Feb 2020 #117

Right, because the GOP isn't going to attack any other candidate. DanTex Feb 2020 #119

Of course they'll attack. But this one is much harder to defend. tinrobot Feb 2020 #123

Dunno, I guess it depends on the perspective. DanTex Feb 2020 #130

Actually, he was talking about the Soviet government. ehrnst Feb 2020 #131

Comparable to the cultural programs put on in Theresienstadt, presumably. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #149

Yeah, it's funny how they dredge up these 35 year old films and post them. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #108

LOL.The BSers have been doing that since before Joe Biden announced redstateblues Feb 2020 #157

Way to insult People you want to vote for Democrats against Trump Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #198

Exactly. Cha Feb 2020 #212

Not a surprise. That was when he was still calling himself a socialist as opposed to now... brush Feb 2020 #193

This is a problem. BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #3

This is bullshit, this is real bullshit Champion Jack Feb 2020 #11

I am not a Joe fan. But socialism is scary as 💩. robbedvoter Feb 2020 #15

Even scarier is us nomination someone that could very well hand the election to trump. George II Feb 2020 #19

That is the point George, the republicans have a lot of things from Sanders past that will come back still_one Feb 2020 #44

Huh? Bernie is not taking away anyone's property rights. DanTex Feb 2020 #29

Socialism is delivering the means of production into the hands of the people. Zolorp Feb 2020 #37

What Bernie means by Democratic Socialism is clear, and has been for many years. DanTex Feb 2020 #39

And apparently is some new found revelation for Sanders. Zolorp Feb 2020 #49

No, he's been for the same policies like single payer, etc. for many years. DanTex Feb 2020 #67

They'll accuse him of it and present all of this evidence Zolorp Feb 2020 #72

This evidence is a joke, he's talking about a kids cultural program. DanTex Feb 2020 #75

He. Praised. COMMUNIST. Russia. Zolorp Feb 2020 #76

LOL. He praised a children's cultural program in Russia. DanTex Feb 2020 #77

Try as you might, you will never spin away his Communist affiliations. Zolorp Feb 2020 #82

You'll never be able to spin this into anything more than a cultural program. DanTex Feb 2020 #84

And yet you try so hard to get it to work for all other candidates. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #204

What he means by that word has shifted since the Socialist Worker's Party days redstateblues Feb 2020 #87

LOLOL....By the time the GOP gets done with Bernie calguy Feb 2020 #45

Also, by the time the GOP gets done with Biden/Pete/Warren/etc. DanTex Feb 2020 #52

Bernie is the only Socialist. They tried it with Obama but it didn't stick because redstateblues Feb 2020 #88

There MUST be an FBI file on Sanders Zolorp Feb 2020 #58

There "must be" one on Bloomberg too. JudyM Feb 2020 #132

Yeah, but it's not going to show over a decade of affiliation with Communists. Zolorp Feb 2020 #133

Who said anything about Joe? BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #18

Are some folks that naive to believe that if Sanders is the nominee things like this won't be still_one Feb 2020 #57

How is this bullshit? highplainsdem Feb 2020 #22

Agreed. That's the real important takeaway from this. n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #107

Umm... he actually said this.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #169

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #4

I have a co-worker who thinks Russian interference never happened blm Feb 2020 #6

People like Greenwald, Intercept, Jcobin and other Sander media outlets robbedvoter Feb 2020 #25

Exactly.. I was just thinking that.. thank you Cha Feb 2020 #220

BS has a national press secretary who appears to believe that too! lapucelle Feb 2020 #47

So what is really "politically advantageous" to whom, bri..? Cha Feb 2020 #221

The ostensibly popular, Bernie-loving comedian Jimmy Dore pumps this bullshit, too (nt) mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #202

I was in grad school in the mid eighties. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #7

That is a direct slap in the face of every Cold War era veteran. Zolorp Feb 2020 #8

It's why I'm supporting mike evertonfc Feb 2020 #14

What I don't get are the attempts to slough it off as "Red-baiting McCarthyism" Zolorp Feb 2020 #31

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #9

Bernie will lose big time evertonfc Feb 2020 #13

It might take a generation to recover, calguy Feb 2020 #69

Not sure it would take a generation, but I wouldn't be surprised if it took a few elections to highplainsdem Feb 2020 #106

Oh, lordy. I went to the Soviet Union in 1976 when I was in college. Yeah, the subways were catbyte Feb 2020 #16

They censored rock music. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #28

He was lucky. One of the people in our group fell down some stairs in Leningrad & had a compound catbyte Feb 2020 #36

I assumed they treated my uncle well so he would share his story when he came home. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #64

Pozner was one of the guys we met with on our trip. He sure was slick. Then I saw him popping up catbyte Feb 2020 #156

No kidding about the music. And blue jeans. I befriended a young woman in Moscow. When I was catbyte Feb 2020 #55

My buddy visited the USSR in the late eighties. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #73

Yup, it was the ultimate. We had folks coming up to us every day asking if they could buy this or catbyte Feb 2020 #159

Excellent post. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #150

I was stationed at the US Embassy in Moscow in 1975, dware Feb 2020 #217

Yet another video that will be excerpted again and again MineralMan Feb 2020 #21

There is a wealth of material for the GOP, and it is way past due time for him to address it still_one Feb 2020 #63

Address it how? MineralMan Feb 2020 #70

Easy, say it wasn't him, but his identical twin separated at birth still_one Feb 2020 #135

He's not all wrong. The country has a rich history, strong traditions and influential arts. Autumn Feb 2020 #24

If we're spending the general election explaining this RandySF Feb 2020 #91

Just about any Dem knows history. Trump humpers and pukes don't matter. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #95

Except... there's a bunch in the middle of those groups who DO matter tinrobot Feb 2020 #140

He praised the Soviet government specifically, and not Russian literature or arts.. ehrnst Feb 2020 #126

"Are you fucking kidding me?" Why is this even posted here? KPN Feb 2020 #26

Unless there's a rule that no one can post video of what a candidate has said in the past, it highplainsdem Feb 2020 #30

Lol. "Unless there's a rule" about posting videos. KPN Feb 2020 #190

And btw, the woman who posted the video is a Democrat who's run for office in PA, and the comment is highplainsdem Feb 2020 #32

Mmmhmmmm. KPN Feb 2020 #191

Which ones did you have in mind? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #46

Frankly, a few of them. Look em up. KPN Feb 2020 #189

Everything looks fine to me. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #197

I'm sure. KPN Feb 2020 #200

So obviously there's no problem. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #201

Like what? Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #170

Oooh! Like True Crime? KPN Feb 2020 #184

Something to consider. Mike 03 Feb 2020 #42

He better have adequate answers to this and other things, or if he becomes the nominee we will be in still_one Feb 2020 #61

Some more background on Sanders here, in a Politico article: highplainsdem Feb 2020 #68

Thank you! Mike 03 Feb 2020 #74

DISQUALIFIED! He should withdraw now. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Mike 03 Feb 2020 #62

He was 46. And no, he wasn't still on unemployment. He was mayor of Burlington. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #78

Thank you. I figured it out and deleted it. Mike 03 Feb 2020 #89

Thank you for the Clarification! Cha Feb 2020 #196

'... little food on store shelves' Scurrilous Feb 2020 #65

Oh boy squirecam Feb 2020 #180

That's a good one. betsuni Feb 2020 #187

OMG - he praised He praised public transportation and community cultural events!!!!!! Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #151

As a Jew I'm disgusted by what you just posted. To compare a concentration camp with a city in Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #155

I deleted my post above, even though it was not "crap". greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #162

Thank you. And I'm sure your experience in China was moving and interesting. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #165

To me, it's kind of like... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #172

Not really at all. Try listening to the whole video. Not this. It's on YouTube. It's 50+ min. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #174

I will, but.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #177

Well Trump,is a big fan of Russia so it will look pretty stupid if he plays this. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #182

This game sn't the same as Wright... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #183

Bernie isn't going to get Magats to vote for him. And it's not a gampme to me. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #185

I won't change your mind... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #186

Okie dokie. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #188

This is especially egregious... OilemFirchen Feb 2020 #79

Lindi Lee is making a false claim about the contents of this video. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #81

Sheesh - well they did have clean transportation and nice cultural systems..other stuff not so... jmg257 Feb 2020 #83

Why doesn't Joe put this clip in an attack ad? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #90

K&R RandySF Feb 2020 #92

Cultural events and youth programs... OKNancy Feb 2020 #93

Just look at the bright side tishaLA Feb 2020 #94

Bloomberg has much more baggage than this. n/t totodeinhere Feb 2020 #96

The Grim Reaper of the primary season is hard at work! slumcamper Feb 2020 #98

OK. He's not my top choice, either. tinrobot Feb 2020 #120

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #142

Whataboutism at it's finest redstateblues Feb 2020 #158

Wow! blue-wave Feb 2020 #97

You can be certain they've had this for years. They'll use it if Sanders becomes the nominee. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #100

Yes, Indeed. blue-wave Feb 2020 #101

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #210

This will make the 1988 Willie Horton ads videohead5 Feb 2020 #99

highplainsdem, thanks for posting this. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #103

Look. If one take exactly what is stated in the video excerpt, pangaia Feb 2020 #109

1987, '88 and '89 are light years away from Russia of today.... Hulk Feb 2020 #112

Yeah that'll be easily explained to a low info, doesn't do nuance electorate in the fall. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #115

His own words on video are "nothing more than distorted propaganda?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #121

"Too long ago" for Bernie is not the same as for Liz, Joe, Amy. Blue_true Feb 2020 #175

why are false repuke talking points being posted on DU yaesu Feb 2020 #116

Video of Bernie talking is "false repuke talking points?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #122

Agree 100%. n/t TheRickles Feb 2020 #129

Is that Bernie in the video? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #141

Are you saying the video is a deepfake? tia uponit7771 Feb 2020 #143

The words came from Bernie Sanders. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #176

If that's what you believe, dware Feb 2020 #218

enough with the Democrats are communists republican talking points, you are damaging the party yaesu Feb 2020 #124

Video of Bernie speaking is 'damaging the party and helping Trump?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #127

This will NOT hurt Sanders because Trump praises them all the freaking time. Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #125

He does not praise Communist Russia. OilemFirchen Feb 2020 #153

No he praises a crap load of dictators which is far worse than praising some trains Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #167

Yikes! Sanders actually thought the public transit systems and cultural programs KPN Feb 2020 #128

That's some baggage that the GOP will definitely deploy in an effort ehrnst Feb 2020 #138

Thank you! Cha Feb 2020 #213

Maybe he thought of them as a Democratic Communists? brooklynite Feb 2020 #134

Careful OP HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #137

I prefer a democratic socialist to neoliberals (I.e. laissez-faire capitalist, robber barons). burrowowl Feb 2020 #139

"neoliberals"? Who are you talking about? Cha Feb 2020 #168

It's a stupid straw man ploy. Desperation redstateblues Feb 2020 #179

Yeah Cha Feb 2020 #195

Bloomberg burrowowl Feb 2020 #194

kicked RandySF Feb 2020 #144

There is a link on the posters page to remarks she has hidden wallyworld2 Feb 2020 #147

Relax, I am sure Trump would never stoop so low as to bring up something Burnie said Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #161

Here's Mikhail Baryshnikov in 1985 movie "White Nights" not lavishing praise on Communist Russia. betsuni Feb 2020 #166

No credible source or context for this so stop posting this crap lees1975 Feb 2020 #171

Jane was (edited term) quite the looker. essme Feb 2020 #178

I understand the editing accusation and all the rest, but I have to ask you, WHAT DO YOU THINK napi21 Feb 2020 #181

Somewhere a BS supporter will admit something significant about BS. Maybe? empedocles Feb 2020 #203

Red-baiting is so last century... Boulevardier Feb 2020 #206

This is BS' history.. we're still in the Vetting Season. Cha Feb 2020 #222

the vetting process.. Cha Feb 2020 #211