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dawg day

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27. An inoculation won't cure cancer and probably nothing will in someone 95 years old

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:58 PM

Feb 2020

Can we concentrate on getting great healthcare to children first? The elderly already have Medicare (I'm going to be Medicare-eligible next month, and I think I don't deserve it any more than a 7-year-old.)

I'm pretty clear on this, and it hasn't changed one bit as I get older-- I'm not going to waste time and money trying to stave off death for a few months when I'm dying anyway. No chemo, no transplants, after 75. It's sensible, and it's what most countries with national health care do-- they limit the amount of extraordinary care after a certain age.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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"If you show up with cancer & you're 95 years old, we should say...we can't do anything..." [View all] redqueen Feb 2020 OP

I do not understand how anyone on the DU supports this guy LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #1

And he couldn't beat Trump anyway. His money will not be able to buy this election. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #3

That is Priority One TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #20

All else can wait? What if all else wnylib Feb 2020 #35

Yes, all else can wait Moderateguy Feb 2020 #81

If we get a superficially more civil wnylib Feb 2020 #116

Frankenstine has an adjenda built on lies. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #40

I like how he said he could teach anyone to be a farmer. zackymilly Feb 2020 #49

A quote taken out of context about agrarian history. He wasn't talking modern farming. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #62

The amount of cognitive dissonance customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #68

Yep! That's what I've been thinking. Doesn't matter what he's done. Even with the sexual harassment tulipsandroses Feb 2020 #96

+1000 Luciferous Feb 2020 #115

Me, neither. It's preposterous. He's a Republican. He's grabbed more pussies Nay Feb 2020 #77

Please show me where he said farmers are dumb. I know that's the talking point today BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #88

I saw it here. Nay Feb 2020 #106

He's clearly referring to farming from hundreds and thousands of years BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #107

I do not want Bloomberg to get anywhere near the nomination... Hekate Feb 2020 #113

It's become a sport and they're merely cheering for a side. kcr Feb 2020 #118

Prostate cancer. Which very tellingly isn't included in the so-called twitter quote. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #2

Gee, I wonder why anybody would misquote Bloomberg. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #24

It's not even treated aggressively in the younger .. CatMor Feb 2020 #44

I didn't know that. I wish your son success in his treatment. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #76

Thank you .... we are trying to stay positive. CatMor Feb 2020 #83

Just to be clear Squidly Feb 2020 #132

It sounds as if your treatment was successful and that is a good thing .. CatMor Feb 2020 #136

The full discussion - LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #125

If I am 95, or 80, or even 60 and have a cancer they can do nothing for, I would prefer they say krissey Feb 2020 #4

That is obviously not what he was talking about. Mariana Feb 2020 #79

what was ellipsised out of that quote sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #110

Wait until you're 60 and tell us that. dflprincess Feb 2020 #80

I'm 64 and pretty much agree with Bloomberg PBC_Democrat Feb 2020 #93

I would consider strongly, do a lot of research and the odds would have to way be in my favor. krissey Feb 2020 #111

I'm approaching the stage of life, and - - - marybourg Feb 2020 #5

Prozac? floppyboo Feb 2020 #7

An inoculation won't cure cancer and probably nothing will in someone 95 years old dawg day Feb 2020 #27

Snopes says the Cuban treatment is legit floppyboo Feb 2020 #36

One of the problems is people have a starry-eyed view of socialized medicine. Blue_true Feb 2020 #55

What about RBG? jimfields33 Feb 2020 #60

She's only 86. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2020 #70

Not too likely to get prostate cancer. Squinch Feb 2020 #134

Lol. True jimfields33 Feb 2020 #135

We're of like mind Rorey Feb 2020 #82

Same here. Boomer Feb 2020 #9

At 95 unless the person was extremely robust whistler162 Feb 2020 #12

My mother just passed at 94. And I agree with him. AJT Feb 2020 #19

My mother died at 93, just from old age. I was in charge of her health care. I just wanted her to CTyankee Feb 2020 #56

I AM at that stage of life and have had "the talk" with my doctor. virgogal Feb 2020 #21

Blessings. Warm wishes. Know you are loved. Hugs. floppyboo Feb 2020 #39

Thanks. virgogal Feb 2020 #64

He is pretty brutal. Maybe that's how he thinks he'll beat Trump? floppyboo Feb 2020 #6

My great aunt did that when she was in her nineties. I think people often do. applegrove Feb 2020 #8

But there is a difference between being told that and making your own decision. nt woodsprite Feb 2020 #15

It could be a cultural thing too. I agree nobody should be forced to not get treatment. applegrove Feb 2020 #17

Exactly! LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #57

Does this apply... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #10

I know a 102 yrs old person that the family demanded that they do complicated heart surgery on Historic NY Feb 2020 #11

When my father was 84 years old, the doctor found prostate cancer. Jim__ Feb 2020 #13

Prostate cancer in elderly men is not as aggressive and they have found that not treating with emmaverybo Feb 2020 #61

What makes it a good example is that prostate cancer is the exact example that Bloomberg uses. Jim__ Feb 2020 #75

OK. But my understanding was that he went further to suggest we should not give elderly emmaverybo Feb 2020 #90

He mentions several ailments. It is a criticism of the ACA. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #126

Hard but necessary discussion Prue Feb 2020 #14

Every person has the right... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #59

Hugs and prayers for you and your family, sheshe. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #109

Perhaps that is the most compassionate thing snowybirdie Feb 2020 #16

My 90-YO Mom suggests we make it 90, though... TygrBright Feb 2020 #18

Yup. Your mom will never have to worry about prostrate cancer though. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #37

Honestly, I'm not sure Americans are ready for a viable single payer Hoyt Feb 2020 #22

Indelicate, perhaps matt819 Feb 2020 #23

Exactly. redqueen Feb 2020 #28

You are repeating a.false statement about what Bloomberg said delisen Feb 2020 #25

I'm not sure I'd want Bloomberg deciding if I'm worthy of treatment or not. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #26

Just tell them you are rich Turbineguy Feb 2020 #29

My father just passed at 92 Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #30

Yes, I agree. And months before a critical GE is the perfect time to have that conversation. redqueen Feb 2020 #31

You first, Mikey. Jirel Feb 2020 #32

+1,000 n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #86

Jimmy Carter is 95. (NT) Eric J in MN Feb 2020 #33

And I bet if he turned up with cancer he wouldn't ask for expensive treatments for it ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #41

Only three and a half years ago customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #69

He had a very different type of cancer. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #43

Yeah, he's not talking here about refusing a $1000 treatment to take off your first melanoma patch mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #45

Some people are trying to blow it up into that. Blue_true Feb 2020 #73

That's not an unusual approach Dr's take for old dudes. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #34

Glad to see that sensibility is, for the most part, prevailing on the thread, and that facts matter mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #38

The saddest part about SDANation Feb 2020 #42

How much of the time, with those cases, do those people turn out to be religious folks mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #48

I've seen an equal side of both. SDANation Feb 2020 #54

I think it's a personal decision to be made between dr and patient LakeArenal Feb 2020 #46

But he was discussing a 95 yr old man xmas74 Feb 2020 #119

Up to Dr and patient. None of the governments damn bussiness LakeArenal Feb 2020 #121

What he said was that our society wasn't ready for it. xmas74 Feb 2020 #122

When a dr and the patient decide it is. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #123

One assumes that Bloomberg would never apply this to himself. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #47

He is right. Please study European social medicine systems. Blue_true Feb 2020 #50

"people like you"? redqueen Feb 2020 #84

That was a bit too personal. I will edit that out. I apologize, I got Blue_true Feb 2020 #87

Not a big deal, just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding redqueen Feb 2020 #89

I would like to see the Canadian model done here. Blue_true Feb 2020 #94

Exactly, Canada is my favorite model to use as an example. redqueen Feb 2020 #97

I agree, Canada is the best model. Blue_true Feb 2020 #102

The amount of invasive medical care given to very elderly patients needs to be discussed. Chemisse Feb 2020 #51

I agree 100% mylightningtoo Feb 2020 #101

This is exactly the discussion we need to have throughout the country peggysue2 Feb 2020 #52

Every system denies some treatments Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #53

I have a relative who had a 96 year-old, debilitated aunt. He fought doctors hard and empedocles Feb 2020 #58

If someone is 95, has cancer and wants treatment they should get it. blueinredohio Feb 2020 #63

Even if that treatment may be worse than the disease? Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #74

I would think if you have a decent doctor blueinredohio Feb 2020 #103

In the case of a 95 yr old with prostate cancer xmas74 Feb 2020 #120

I don't think age is a good indicator. It's about quality of life. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2020 #65

My mother is almost 97, and just had cancer surgery. Croney Feb 2020 #66

He's making an important point, very badly Recursion Feb 2020 #67

Prostate cancer in a 95 yo. Conservative care is best. Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #71

What a trashy way for Mr. Finkelstein to take a quote out of context Politicub Feb 2020 #72

some cancers are so slow growing that at 95 a person would most likely pass from.. samnsara Feb 2020 #78

Good example, even if anecdotal..eom at140 Feb 2020 #92

Depends on vitality of the person at140 Feb 2020 #85

In the coming century the technology of treatments and replacements MarcA Feb 2020 #91

My friends who over 90 would agree The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #95

I watched my 89-year old father-in-law suffer peggysue2 Feb 2020 #112

So sorry for your loss and your family going through that The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #114

My father-in-law died 5 years ago peggysue2 Feb 2020 #117

Folks, the US taxpayer wallet is not unlimited mylightningtoo Feb 2020 #98

That's a pretty Ayn Rand-like thing for a politician to say pecosbob Feb 2020 #99

He didn't propose it. He was saying our society wouldn't be ready to do it. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #100

It was in the context of criticizing the ACA. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #127

He's talking about costs in general. And they are bankrupting us. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #131

My SIL is 95 and was dx'd with stage IV cancer almost 2 years ago. Peregrine Took Feb 2020 #104

Death panels much? Lancero Feb 2020 #105

Oh Jesus Christ on a cracker, he didn't propose denying care. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #108

Actually, he was predicting the ACA would take us there. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #128

My parents are both 95 years old. MineralMan Feb 2020 #124

The fuller transcript. He was criticizing the ACA. (Obamacare) LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #129

Whats next? Soxfan58 Feb 2020 #130

yup pamdb Feb 2020 #133