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In reply to the discussion: "If you show up with cancer & you're 95 years old, we should say...we can't do anything..." [View all]Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)53. Every system denies some treatments
That was a ham handed way of saying it and Id rather see Bloomberg as our nomineess campaign manager than the nominee.
People here do realize that systems like the NHS typically lag the US in approving treatments? Dont they? Well worth having todays treatments be free or cheap to patients, but patients close to death will feel cheated. Dont have statistics of a typical lag but the couple of times i looked a drug up it was a year or two.
I havent researched end of life care but Id expect limits there too.
People in the United States spend a lot of money at the end of life. In fact, about one quarter of all Medicare spending goes toward care for people during their last year of life. Beyond this shockingly high number, we know that end-of-life care patterns and spending vary widely across hospitals and communities. For example, although about 1 in 8 elderly persons living in Utah die in the hospital, the number is nearly 3 times higher for those who live in New York.
https://newsatjama.jama.com/2018/07/13/jama-forum-end-of-life-care-not-end-of-life-spending/amp/]
This will be a part of getting costs in line with other countries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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"If you show up with cancer & you're 95 years old, we should say...we can't do anything..." [View all]
redqueen
Feb 2020
OP
And he couldn't beat Trump anyway. His money will not be able to buy this election.
totodeinhere
Feb 2020
#3
A quote taken out of context about agrarian history. He wasn't talking modern farming.
BusyBeingBest
Feb 2020
#62
Yep! That's what I've been thinking. Doesn't matter what he's done. Even with the sexual harassment
tulipsandroses
Feb 2020
#96
Please show me where he said farmers are dumb. I know that's the talking point today
BusyBeingBest
Feb 2020
#88
Prostate cancer. Which very tellingly isn't included in the so-called twitter quote.
BusyBeingBest
Feb 2020
#2
If I am 95, or 80, or even 60 and have a cancer they can do nothing for, I would prefer they say
krissey
Feb 2020
#4
I would consider strongly, do a lot of research and the odds would have to way be in my favor.
krissey
Feb 2020
#111
An inoculation won't cure cancer and probably nothing will in someone 95 years old
dawg day
Feb 2020
#27
One of the problems is people have a starry-eyed view of socialized medicine.
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#55
My mother died at 93, just from old age. I was in charge of her health care. I just wanted her to
CTyankee
Feb 2020
#56
My great aunt did that when she was in her nineties. I think people often do.
applegrove
Feb 2020
#8
But there is a difference between being told that and making your own decision. nt
woodsprite
Feb 2020
#15
It could be a cultural thing too. I agree nobody should be forced to not get treatment.
applegrove
Feb 2020
#17
I know a 102 yrs old person that the family demanded that they do complicated heart surgery on
Historic NY
Feb 2020
#11
Prostate cancer in elderly men is not as aggressive and they have found that not treating with
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#61
What makes it a good example is that prostate cancer is the exact example that Bloomberg uses.
Jim__
Feb 2020
#75
OK. But my understanding was that he went further to suggest we should not give elderly
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#90
I'm not sure I'd want Bloomberg deciding if I'm worthy of treatment or not.
Aaron Pereira
Feb 2020
#26
Yes, I agree. And months before a critical GE is the perfect time to have that conversation.
redqueen
Feb 2020
#31
And I bet if he turned up with cancer he wouldn't ask for expensive treatments for it ...
mr_lebowski
Feb 2020
#41
Yeah, he's not talking here about refusing a $1000 treatment to take off your first melanoma patch
mr_lebowski
Feb 2020
#45
Glad to see that sensibility is, for the most part, prevailing on the thread, and that facts matter
mr_lebowski
Feb 2020
#38
How much of the time, with those cases, do those people turn out to be religious folks
mr_lebowski
Feb 2020
#48
The amount of invasive medical care given to very elderly patients needs to be discussed.
Chemisse
Feb 2020
#51
I have a relative who had a 96 year-old, debilitated aunt. He fought doctors hard and
empedocles
Feb 2020
#58
some cancers are so slow growing that at 95 a person would most likely pass from..
samnsara
Feb 2020
#78
He didn't propose it. He was saying our society wouldn't be ready to do it.
BusyBeingBest
Feb 2020
#100