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OAITW r.2.0

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65. I don't think age is a good indicator. It's about quality of life.

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:58 PM

Feb 2020

My kids had a gut wrenching decision last year with regards to my ex. She was 61 and on life support with really no good future. She had sepsis and, even if they managed to stabilize her condition, she was never going to leave a long-term care facility. No doubt she'd be left with little or no cognitive response to recover.

They asked me of my opinion and I told them that, if it were me in that bed, I'd want them to shut down the heroic measures and put me on a morphine drip. I know she would have wanted this as well. It took some time, but they both realized that this was the humane approach to this situation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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"If you show up with cancer & you're 95 years old, we should say...we can't do anything..." [View all] redqueen Feb 2020 OP

I do not understand how anyone on the DU supports this guy LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #1

And he couldn't beat Trump anyway. His money will not be able to buy this election. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #3

That is Priority One TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #20

All else can wait? What if all else wnylib Feb 2020 #35

Yes, all else can wait Moderateguy Feb 2020 #81

If we get a superficially more civil wnylib Feb 2020 #116

Frankenstine has an adjenda built on lies. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #40

I like how he said he could teach anyone to be a farmer. zackymilly Feb 2020 #49

A quote taken out of context about agrarian history. He wasn't talking modern farming. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #62

The amount of cognitive dissonance customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #68

Yep! That's what I've been thinking. Doesn't matter what he's done. Even with the sexual harassment tulipsandroses Feb 2020 #96

+1000 Luciferous Feb 2020 #115

Me, neither. It's preposterous. He's a Republican. He's grabbed more pussies Nay Feb 2020 #77

Please show me where he said farmers are dumb. I know that's the talking point today BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #88

I saw it here. Nay Feb 2020 #106

He's clearly referring to farming from hundreds and thousands of years BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #107

I do not want Bloomberg to get anywhere near the nomination... Hekate Feb 2020 #113

It's become a sport and they're merely cheering for a side. kcr Feb 2020 #118

Prostate cancer. Which very tellingly isn't included in the so-called twitter quote. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #2

Gee, I wonder why anybody would misquote Bloomberg. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #24

It's not even treated aggressively in the younger .. CatMor Feb 2020 #44

I didn't know that. I wish your son success in his treatment. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #76

Thank you .... we are trying to stay positive. CatMor Feb 2020 #83

Just to be clear Squidly Feb 2020 #132

It sounds as if your treatment was successful and that is a good thing .. CatMor Feb 2020 #136

The full discussion - LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #125

If I am 95, or 80, or even 60 and have a cancer they can do nothing for, I would prefer they say krissey Feb 2020 #4

That is obviously not what he was talking about. Mariana Feb 2020 #79

what was ellipsised out of that quote sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #110

Wait until you're 60 and tell us that. dflprincess Feb 2020 #80

I'm 64 and pretty much agree with Bloomberg PBC_Democrat Feb 2020 #93

I would consider strongly, do a lot of research and the odds would have to way be in my favor. krissey Feb 2020 #111

I'm approaching the stage of life, and - - - marybourg Feb 2020 #5

Prozac? floppyboo Feb 2020 #7

An inoculation won't cure cancer and probably nothing will in someone 95 years old dawg day Feb 2020 #27

Snopes says the Cuban treatment is legit floppyboo Feb 2020 #36

One of the problems is people have a starry-eyed view of socialized medicine. Blue_true Feb 2020 #55

What about RBG? jimfields33 Feb 2020 #60

She's only 86. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2020 #70

Not too likely to get prostate cancer. Squinch Feb 2020 #134

Lol. True jimfields33 Feb 2020 #135

We're of like mind Rorey Feb 2020 #82

Same here. Boomer Feb 2020 #9

At 95 unless the person was extremely robust whistler162 Feb 2020 #12

My mother just passed at 94. And I agree with him. AJT Feb 2020 #19

My mother died at 93, just from old age. I was in charge of her health care. I just wanted her to CTyankee Feb 2020 #56

I AM at that stage of life and have had "the talk" with my doctor. virgogal Feb 2020 #21

Blessings. Warm wishes. Know you are loved. Hugs. floppyboo Feb 2020 #39

Thanks. virgogal Feb 2020 #64

He is pretty brutal. Maybe that's how he thinks he'll beat Trump? floppyboo Feb 2020 #6

My great aunt did that when she was in her nineties. I think people often do. applegrove Feb 2020 #8

But there is a difference between being told that and making your own decision. nt woodsprite Feb 2020 #15

It could be a cultural thing too. I agree nobody should be forced to not get treatment. applegrove Feb 2020 #17

Exactly! LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #57

Does this apply... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #10

I know a 102 yrs old person that the family demanded that they do complicated heart surgery on Historic NY Feb 2020 #11

When my father was 84 years old, the doctor found prostate cancer. Jim__ Feb 2020 #13

Prostate cancer in elderly men is not as aggressive and they have found that not treating with emmaverybo Feb 2020 #61

What makes it a good example is that prostate cancer is the exact example that Bloomberg uses. Jim__ Feb 2020 #75

OK. But my understanding was that he went further to suggest we should not give elderly emmaverybo Feb 2020 #90

He mentions several ailments. It is a criticism of the ACA. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #126

Hard but necessary discussion Prue Feb 2020 #14

Every person has the right... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #59

Hugs and prayers for you and your family, sheshe. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #109

Perhaps that is the most compassionate thing snowybirdie Feb 2020 #16

My 90-YO Mom suggests we make it 90, though... TygrBright Feb 2020 #18

Yup. Your mom will never have to worry about prostrate cancer though. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #37

Honestly, I'm not sure Americans are ready for a viable single payer Hoyt Feb 2020 #22

Indelicate, perhaps matt819 Feb 2020 #23

Exactly. redqueen Feb 2020 #28

You are repeating a.false statement about what Bloomberg said delisen Feb 2020 #25

I'm not sure I'd want Bloomberg deciding if I'm worthy of treatment or not. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #26

Just tell them you are rich Turbineguy Feb 2020 #29

My father just passed at 92 Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #30

Yes, I agree. And months before a critical GE is the perfect time to have that conversation. redqueen Feb 2020 #31

You first, Mikey. Jirel Feb 2020 #32

+1,000 n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #86

Jimmy Carter is 95. (NT) Eric J in MN Feb 2020 #33

And I bet if he turned up with cancer he wouldn't ask for expensive treatments for it ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #41

Only three and a half years ago customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #69

He had a very different type of cancer. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #43

Yeah, he's not talking here about refusing a $1000 treatment to take off your first melanoma patch mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #45

Some people are trying to blow it up into that. Blue_true Feb 2020 #73

That's not an unusual approach Dr's take for old dudes. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #34

Glad to see that sensibility is, for the most part, prevailing on the thread, and that facts matter mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #38

The saddest part about SDANation Feb 2020 #42

How much of the time, with those cases, do those people turn out to be religious folks mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #48

I've seen an equal side of both. SDANation Feb 2020 #54

I think it's a personal decision to be made between dr and patient LakeArenal Feb 2020 #46

But he was discussing a 95 yr old man xmas74 Feb 2020 #119

Up to Dr and patient. None of the governments damn bussiness LakeArenal Feb 2020 #121

What he said was that our society wasn't ready for it. xmas74 Feb 2020 #122

When a dr and the patient decide it is. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #123

One assumes that Bloomberg would never apply this to himself. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #47

He is right. Please study European social medicine systems. Blue_true Feb 2020 #50

"people like you"? redqueen Feb 2020 #84

That was a bit too personal. I will edit that out. I apologize, I got Blue_true Feb 2020 #87

Not a big deal, just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding redqueen Feb 2020 #89

I would like to see the Canadian model done here. Blue_true Feb 2020 #94

Exactly, Canada is my favorite model to use as an example. redqueen Feb 2020 #97

I agree, Canada is the best model. Blue_true Feb 2020 #102

The amount of invasive medical care given to very elderly patients needs to be discussed. Chemisse Feb 2020 #51

I agree 100% mylightningtoo Feb 2020 #101

This is exactly the discussion we need to have throughout the country peggysue2 Feb 2020 #52

Every system denies some treatments Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #53

I have a relative who had a 96 year-old, debilitated aunt. He fought doctors hard and empedocles Feb 2020 #58

If someone is 95, has cancer and wants treatment they should get it. blueinredohio Feb 2020 #63

Even if that treatment may be worse than the disease? Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #74

I would think if you have a decent doctor blueinredohio Feb 2020 #103

In the case of a 95 yr old with prostate cancer xmas74 Feb 2020 #120

I don't think age is a good indicator. It's about quality of life. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2020 #65

My mother is almost 97, and just had cancer surgery. Croney Feb 2020 #66

He's making an important point, very badly Recursion Feb 2020 #67

Prostate cancer in a 95 yo. Conservative care is best. Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #71

What a trashy way for Mr. Finkelstein to take a quote out of context Politicub Feb 2020 #72

some cancers are so slow growing that at 95 a person would most likely pass from.. samnsara Feb 2020 #78

Good example, even if anecdotal..eom at140 Feb 2020 #92

Depends on vitality of the person at140 Feb 2020 #85

In the coming century the technology of treatments and replacements MarcA Feb 2020 #91

My friends who over 90 would agree The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #95

I watched my 89-year old father-in-law suffer peggysue2 Feb 2020 #112

So sorry for your loss and your family going through that The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #114

My father-in-law died 5 years ago peggysue2 Feb 2020 #117

Folks, the US taxpayer wallet is not unlimited mylightningtoo Feb 2020 #98

That's a pretty Ayn Rand-like thing for a politician to say pecosbob Feb 2020 #99

He didn't propose it. He was saying our society wouldn't be ready to do it. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #100

It was in the context of criticizing the ACA. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #127

He's talking about costs in general. And they are bankrupting us. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #131

My SIL is 95 and was dx'd with stage IV cancer almost 2 years ago. Peregrine Took Feb 2020 #104

Death panels much? Lancero Feb 2020 #105

Oh Jesus Christ on a cracker, he didn't propose denying care. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #108

Actually, he was predicting the ACA would take us there. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #128

My parents are both 95 years old. MineralMan Feb 2020 #124

The fuller transcript. He was criticizing the ACA. (Obamacare) LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #129

Whats next? Soxfan58 Feb 2020 #130

yup pamdb Feb 2020 #133