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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Tom Rinaldo

(23,185 posts)
13. I don't trust that he would govern in line with how he currently is presenting himself
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:14 AM
Feb 2020

to a Democratic electorate in a primary battle. I am positive he would move to the center, both in a General Election AND as President Given that he is already positioning himself as "a moderate", an anticipated further shift rightward in office is of great concern to me. Obviously a President Bloomberg governing from the center assumes the defeat of Donald Trump, which is of existential importance. But before we had a crypto-fascist in the White House, what the actual policies and priorities that a President likely would have as their intent used to be of pretty high importance to Democrats. We don't need to nominate Michael Bloomberg to defeat Donald Trump, and therefor IMO we shouldn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Bloomberg-do you trust him? [View all] apcalc Feb 2020 OP
No. Not because of his party switch, but because of his record. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #1
+100 Spot on! abqtommy Feb 2020 #7
Not a good record... apcalc Feb 2020 #23
THIS !!!! He didn't need the racism either uponit7771 Feb 2020 #69
I'll put it this way Zolorp Feb 2020 #2
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #21
+1 nt Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #100
+ another pandr32 Feb 2020 #190
Sander's did not ruin the life of thousands of black kids womanofthehills Feb 2020 #222
Not really. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #3
I have a LOT of qualms, I'll just leave it at that... hlthe2b Feb 2020 #4
True, not as bad as others.. but maybe a snake all the same. apcalc Feb 2020 #25
A snake with more intelligence and money than wnylib Feb 2020 #85
If don't trust Bloomberg. If he can buy the nomination, I'll support him. Beakybird Feb 2020 #5
Good points. I am in agreement. apcalc Feb 2020 #19
IMO, Bloomberg is below zero on wnylib Feb 2020 #98
He may be the key to getting rid of Citizens United. greymattermom Feb 2020 #185
We already had snowybirdie Feb 2020 #6
Well stated. Beakybird Feb 2020 #8
100% cherryinpa Feb 2020 #18
Spot on , on lots of counts...he raises suspicion. apcalc Feb 2020 #29
I think of him as idiot45 with table manners. ...nt 2naSalit Feb 2020 #48
Lol! I do call the other guy Dolt 45, but it's more like 44 1/8. apcalc Feb 2020 #60
Thank you for expressing it that way. wnylib Feb 2020 #123
Well, yeah he does have an IQ on the 2naSalit Feb 2020 #129
I hear you. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #220
I've been saying similar to you. I told my friend the difference between he and jrthin Feb 2020 #137
+1 ancianita Feb 2020 #236
THIS !!! I'm asking same question in OP; will minorities support someone who's had RECENT racism uponit7771 Feb 2020 #72
+1, cause that's what Bloomberg has ... money... he could've used it for something else uponit7771 Feb 2020 #70
Agree completely except maybe the last sentence. wnylib Feb 2020 #109
I do not trust Bloomberg at all Devil Child Feb 2020 #9
I always read profiles. Interesting information in them. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #30
Good for you! I like to read profiles and I also enjoy long walks on the beach. Devil Child Feb 2020 #65
So it seems... waiting for the debates, media for exposure. apcalc Feb 2020 #35
Same, also hoping that Bloomberg is intensely vetted Devil Child Feb 2020 #71
Is that a rhetorical question?! For all the reasonss you mentioned + he gave us Shrub... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #10
Ugh yes, he supported shrub. Forgot that. apcalc Feb 2020 #31
I don't get that either, FoxNewsSucks Feb 2020 #92
+1, People think PoC will vote against their own best interest after Trump turns Bloomberg into uponit7771 Feb 2020 #86
Well said. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2020 #89
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+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #32
Did he pay for the ads smearing Katie McGinty? Walleye Feb 2020 #12
I have to research that...by donating to Toomey I would say yes. apcalc Feb 2020 #36
I don't trust that he would govern in line with how he currently is presenting himself Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #13
Excellent description. Ty apcalc Feb 2020 #38
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #88
He was a very good Mayor of NYC for 12 years... Mars and Minerva Feb 2020 #14
Thanks, hadn't thought of that money donating to our causes. apcalc Feb 2020 #41
To whom ?!!? My goodness ... most PoC in NY hate him for his racial profiling terrorism and it wasnt uponit7771 Feb 2020 #90
true apcalc Feb 2020 #166
Sorry but that's simply not true. Most POC in NYC do not hate him. Mars and Minerva Feb 2020 #240
So he created a positive image wnylib Feb 2020 #147
Exactly. silverweb Feb 2020 #187
Thank you for pointing this out pandr32 Feb 2020 #192
The more information the better, right? silverweb Feb 2020 #216
Exactly pandr32 Feb 2020 #231
I trust him more than Sanders, he is not the only "convenience" Democrat running. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #15
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No. He donates to candidates from other parties when they pledge to help with Squinch Feb 2020 #34
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Moving the goal posts much? My post was about his donating to Republicans. And yes. The Squinch Feb 2020 #57
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And what has your candidate accomplished in his long political life of perfect virtue? Squinch Feb 2020 #99
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Then you simply have not done enough research into the other candidates. ALL of them Squinch Feb 2020 #133
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"I won't disparage any of the other candidates" ehrnst Feb 2020 #161
Good points. apcalc Feb 2020 #233
It's worth mentioning that there is a candidate on the Democratic ticket has been promoted ehrnst Feb 2020 #145
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If they didn't want him as the nominee, they'd be treating him like they are treating Biden. ehrnst Feb 2020 #163
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Yes yes yes ehrnst Feb 2020 #183
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Why would Sanders supporters be suspicious of the process? ehrnst Feb 2020 #199
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"Some Sanders supporters" ehrnst Feb 2020 #209
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So you think "some Sanders supporters" can't be relied on to differentiate between ehrnst Feb 2020 #211
Switching of parties constantly"? REALLY? He was a Democrat for 40 years, became a republican... George II Feb 2020 #175
Thank you George Mike 03 Feb 2020 #182
It gets tough sometimes. Bloomberg ran in the republican primary against DEMOCRAT Herman Badillo! George II Feb 2020 #186
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You have no idea of the dynamics of the Mayoral race in 2001. If you did you'd know why.... George II Feb 2020 #168
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"not going to disparage any candidates..." ehrnst Feb 2020 #191
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But you don't call that "disparaging" ehrnst Feb 2020 #197
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Herman Badillo, another life long distinguished Democrat, felt the same as Bloomberg.... George II Feb 2020 #215
I can't imagine here in PA that Toomey supports gun control. apcalc Feb 2020 #61
Climate change legislation or programs? Squinch Feb 2020 #63
What a crock Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #101
Have you seen Bloomberg's tax policy proposal? He's not looking for a tax break. Squinch Feb 2020 #103
Have you seen the Wizard of Oz Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #108
THANK YOU !!! He's had decades of racism against PoC and defended Racial profiling last year uponit7771 Feb 2020 #112
And Biden defended his racist crime bill LAST YEAR: Squinch Feb 2020 #126
This is false on its face ""It was a big mistake when it was made,"(link) uponit7771 Feb 2020 #139
And 5 months LATER he defended the crime bill. Squinch Feb 2020 #149
No he's not !!! He said Stop and Frisk was "overused" vs racial profiling shouldn't have been used uponit7771 Feb 2020 #154
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #42
What do you not trust Sanders about? DanTex Feb 2020 #83
I don't trust Sanders consummate LEADING deflection and not answering questions. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #94
I'm asking what do you not trust him to do or not do if he's elected. DanTex Feb 2020 #116
I don't trust he'll get MFA or anything close enacted and I don't trust him on immigration because uponit7771 Feb 2020 #122
I agree that anyone who becomes president will face resistance from the GOP to their agenda. DanTex Feb 2020 #127
Bloomberg has always been consistent on immigration. During his tenture in NYC he took away all Squinch Feb 2020 #140
Hmmmm, that's a good thing uponit7771 Feb 2020 #159
. Squinch Feb 2020 #164
👍, I want to like Bloomberg cause he's got the money to buy it all I just want dem policies uponit7771 Feb 2020 #167
yup...move Dem policies forward apcalc Feb 2020 #171
Mine too. Squinch Feb 2020 #172
+1 dalton99a Feb 2020 #87
Here's how he has acted in the past, and how I think he will act in the future: Squinch Feb 2020 #16
Hope you're right. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #24
It is how he has done it in the past in my observation. At times it is painful. I will be Squinch Feb 2020 #33
This is exactly what I took away from "The Many Lives of Michael Bloomberg" Mike 03 Feb 2020 #40
I agree with much of your assessment. I was looking at BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #54
Your points are excellent. I do need more education about him. apcalc Feb 2020 #73
I like your arguments re : deaths of young black men apcalc Feb 2020 #45
Bloomberg could've done all this without racism and without defending that racism just last year uponit7771 Feb 2020 #84
Biden and BS passed a racist crime bill that resulted in the unjust incarceration of thousands of Squinch Feb 2020 #95
That wasn't last year and both of them would've done it differently. Bloomberg on the other hand uponit7771 Feb 2020 #106
Here's Biden defending the crime bill LAST YEAR: Squinch Feb 2020 #120
Joe Biden says he'd do different now and that's believable because of his record. On the other uponit7771 Feb 2020 #131
So Biden says he'd do it differently today, but was defending it LAST YEAR and Squinch Feb 2020 #136
YES !!! Because Biden doesn't have decades of saying racist shit about Minorities uponit7771 Feb 2020 #138
But he DID racist shit. That crime bill was racist. Which is worse? Squinch Feb 2020 #142
Bullshit, there was no racist intent with 94 Crime bill there was racist intent with Stop and Frish uponit7771 Feb 2020 #148
Bloomberg set out to stop the skyrocketing numbers of murders of young black men in NYC. Squinch Feb 2020 #152
We're not talking about "other policies" we're talking about Racial Profiling which was on its face uponit7771 Feb 2020 #157
And we're talking about the overtly racist shit that was the crime bill. Squinch Feb 2020 #160
The crime bill wasn't aimed purposefully at PoC while Bloombergs racial profiling was. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #169
Very interesting post. here is an article explaining about the dropping incarceration rates... jmg257 Feb 2020 #219
Not one bit. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #20
I sort of do. Having watched some of his speeches and presentations now, I BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #22
I look at his record from just last year, I don't think he's changed anything and wont do anything uponit7771 Feb 2020 #80
I would suggest some reading of articles like The Life of Michael Bloomberg by Business Insider BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #91
I'm black, of course I'm hearing of the terrorism he enacted on PoC in NY and didn't apologize for uponit7771 Feb 2020 #104
Yes, I'm aware of all that. I understand that especially black people may never trust him. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #111
That's 25% of the electorate and its not just blacks it was Hispanics too. Dems aren't going to vote uponit7771 Feb 2020 #117
I'm not trying to talk you out of supporting Biden. You have to do BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #125
" the Democratic Party will keep him in line I'm sure." Oh goodness ... this is EXACTLY what they uponit7771 Feb 2020 #165
NO NedBraden Feb 2020 #26
Yes. Buying a nomination ' at the last minute' rots, plus baggage. apcalc Feb 2020 #49
No. sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #27
Not my candidate.... but.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #28
About as much as I'd trust a starving cat around my pet parakeet jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #37
Funny! To the point, tho! apcalc Feb 2020 #50
No. Jirel Feb 2020 #39
DINO! apcalc Feb 2020 #68
I don't trust him. I think his hate for Trump is greater than his wanting to be president. zackymilly Feb 2020 #43
Good point. apcalc Feb 2020 #52
I trust him more than I trust Bernie n/t Evergreen Emerald Feb 2020 #46
Why? What has Sanders done to lose your trust? Thanks. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #51
Bernie is promising things he can't deliver redstateblues Feb 2020 #121
Convenience Democrat...criticizes Dems as a party in off years....have trust issues there as well. apcalc Feb 2020 #181
Fuck no. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #47
Lol, I like your answer! apcalc Feb 2020 #53
+1 Jarqui Feb 2020 #55
I don't trust any of them. Tipperary Feb 2020 #56
Right on. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #59
I agree - some are better than others. Tipperary Feb 2020 #174
Hollywood heartthrob! Yeah, sometimes supporters' infatuated profiles remind me of stories in emmaverybo Feb 2020 #221
Not really but lees1975 Feb 2020 #58
Hear ya there, sort of the spot I'm in. apcalc Feb 2020 #62
Sure. Laelth Feb 2020 #64
How it plays out is how it plays out. Sound like a Yogi-ism? Firestorm49 Feb 2020 #66
True we need unity. I still think the R's will apcalc Feb 2020 #76
✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨NO!!!!!✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨ MB Was defending his racism last year !!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #67
Racism . Misogyny too. apcalc Feb 2020 #75
+1, Stop & frisk is legal and its MB's way to conflate the legal vs racial profiling he supported uponit7771 Feb 2020 #79
SQF--stop, question, frisk--is legal. But depends how employed. Bloomberg's policy was declared emmaverybo Feb 2020 #225
Here's Biden LAST YEAR!!! defending the crime bill he wrote that resulted in the unjust Squinch Feb 2020 #115
Biden said "It was a big mistake when it was made," & Biden doesn't have decades of racist uponit7771 Feb 2020 #144
He said that in January, and then 5 months LATER he defended the crime bill. Squinch Feb 2020 #146
He defended aspects of it not the bill as a whole, I can read. Just stop, Bloomberg's set out with a uponit7771 Feb 2020 #150
We are not going to agree. Have a good day. Squinch Feb 2020 #155
I trust him more than Sanders. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #77
Nope. lamp_shade Feb 2020 #78
No, I don't trust him. Any reason I should? dchill Feb 2020 #81
He helped Toomey because he did gun control... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #82
I trust that he wants the Con out of office & would like things to return to the status quo. CrispyQ Feb 2020 #93
Not at all. He's too old and too arrogant to have suddenly switched his core beliefs. hedda_foil Feb 2020 #96
I trust that he's acting rationally. Mersky Feb 2020 #97
His platform? You believe his consultant polled and written platform reflects his beliefs? hedda_foil Feb 2020 #107
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #113
Yeah, I hear you Mersky Feb 2020 #132
I wouldn't be happy voting for either of them, but I've held my nose before. hedda_foil Feb 2020 #205
Very thoughtful and comprehensive. Ty for the platform research apcalc Feb 2020 #110
I'm grappling with it Mersky Feb 2020 #141
like those ads...my fave has a karate kick to the head apcalc Feb 2020 #176
It is a good one - probably my favorite, too Mersky Feb 2020 #178
Is a good question you asked Mersky Feb 2020 #170
tty. me too. The discussion is good...still going back and forth. apcalc Feb 2020 #173
I trust if he loses the nomination he won't spoil the convention Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #102
I have not forgotten. And I'm still pissed. apcalc Feb 2020 #114
i could forgive the convention Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #118
I don't trust him Faux pas Feb 2020 #105
Ah, you may be right. How are we to know? apcalc Feb 2020 #119
I've been paying Faux pas Feb 2020 #218
His record includes an apology for mistakes randr Feb 2020 #124
I don't trust any politician. Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #128
In a word: no Anaxamander Feb 2020 #134
Not if I hold to my core principles Omen78 Feb 2020 #135
I'm skeptical about candidates who excessively self fund. Throck Feb 2020 #143
Yes. stopbush Feb 2020 #153
no. he has clearly shown who he is. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #156
trust him to do what? lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #162
Absolutely I do not trust him. He is far down my list. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #177
I switched decades ago from being a Republican to a Democrat Pachamama Feb 2020 #180
why did you switch decades ago...I hated Nixon, liked Ford....but not Reagan...no way apcalc Feb 2020 #184
I grew up and formed my own opinions versus my parents Pachamama Feb 2020 #198
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #203
Trump fears Bloomberg nobuddy Feb 2020 #193
+1 good point apcalc Feb 2020 #204
He won't after the Vegas debate at140 Feb 2020 #228
Not as far as I could throw him. samir.g Feb 2020 #194
Personally? Not so sure, but with my wife, daughter, minority or Asian friends? No F'ing Way. jmg257 Feb 2020 #200
At first, I thought, well sure, he looks like a Trump stumper, but then the backstories came out Baked Potato Feb 2020 #201
Nope Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #206
Nope The Mouth Feb 2020 #207
I've made my feelings about him known customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #212
Omg 3rd party bid... had not thought of that 😕 apcalc Feb 2020 #214
Bloomie's said customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #217
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #238
If Biden's the Dem nominee, I'll vote for him. If Bloomberg is the nominee, I'll vote against trump. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #213
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #235
No! Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #223
No. loyalsister Feb 2020 #224
Look at his donations for all of 2019 Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #226
Same here. tencats Feb 2020 #229
I don't trust his words his actions I'd like to take a good look at though uponit7771 Feb 2020 #239
No! at140 Feb 2020 #227
NO! Doreen Feb 2020 #230
No, and it is my biggest reason he is last on my list mvd Feb 2020 #232
No! myohmy2 Feb 2020 #234
a 'convenience' Democrat... ehrnst Feb 2020 #237
Warren and Bloomberg were registered Repubs for about the same amount of time Kaleva Feb 2020 #241
Warren has been a Democrat for longer than all of Bernie's primary runs combined ehrnst Feb 2020 #243
My mistake. You were talking about Sanders being a "convenience Democrat". Kaleva Feb 2020 #247
You thought I was talking about Bloomberg? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #249
The OP is about Bloomberg Kaleva Feb 2020 #250
I understand. ehrnst Feb 2020 #251
Why would anyone trust him? BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #242
No. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #244
Nope ibegurpard Feb 2020 #245
I do trust him. He's not a "convenience" Democrat; he WAS a "convenience" Republican. brooklynite Feb 2020 #246
Yes Kaleva Feb 2020 #248
He has been a Democrat for 60 years out of his 77 years. patricia92243 Feb 2020 #252
I think he would have been better served Liberalhammer Feb 2020 #253
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