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thesquanderer

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23. Wrong is wrong. He can't claim youth, inexperience, or being indifferent or ill-informed.

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:55 AM

Feb 2020

He was 62 and mayor of New York.

I don't care if it's been 16 years since Hannibal Lecter ate anyone, I'm not going to his place for dinner.

And BTW, it's not like he hasn't said/done objectionable things more recently than that. But this is the one that most sticks in my craw, as someone who was adamantly anti-war in 2004.

Yeah, I know, Biden, Hillary, and other Dems were still defending their support of the IWR back then. Not so thrilled about that either. And even Kerry voted for the IWR.

But that's still not the same as actively campaigning for Bush. Heck, by the time of the Republican National Convention, we already knew about Abu Ghraib and John Yoo's torture memo!

Just... no.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Can you really feel good about a candidate who supported Bush over Kerry in 2004? [View all] thesquanderer Feb 2020 OP

How about Jill Stein over Clinton? Evergreen Emerald Feb 2020 #1

None of those were nearly as bad. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #13

+1000 at140 Feb 2020 #54

I don't know of any Democratic Candidate, past or present, who supported Stein over Clinton Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #31

No!!! Bloomberg was defending his racist policies just last year too. How are we supposed to trust uponit7771 Feb 2020 #2

Warren was once a Republican, herself. RandySF Feb 2020 #3

25 years ago while Bloomie waa giving millions to repubs three years ago Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #11

Do we reject someone who joins our side just because the decision to convert wasn't long enough ago? honest.abe Feb 2020 #35

Maybe, if the change is out of political opportunism rather than principle... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #49

Well that is a judgment call that many will have to make. honest.abe Feb 2020 #59

Yes. And I'm glad he'll be using that wealth that way no matter who our nominee is. n/t thesquanderer Feb 2020 #63

As I said above... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #14

I can feel good about any candidate who can beat Trump...Bloomberg believes in choice, climate Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #4

That may not attract many centrists at140 Feb 2020 #55

I don't know where the left gets the idea that only super lefties believe in gun control, Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #66

I feel like you do. Near the bottom of my choices... apcalc Feb 2020 #5

Warren likely voted for Reagan over Carter and Mondale... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #6

As I said above... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #16

Warren wasn't just a Republican in "her youth." She was one at middle age... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #25

I was not meaning youth as Warren's excuse. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #36

you're still flailing in the wind wyldwolf Feb 2020 #41

Your post addresses things you think I'm saying, but am not. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #48

Better on the inside of the tent pissing out than on the outside pissing in, as they say. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #7

Luckily, Bloomberg has committed to throwing his financial muscle behind beating Trump, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #17

"Better than Hitler" is not what I meant. My thought experiment involved opposition to. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #28

I was trying to indicate that I was using it figuratively by putting it in quotes. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #32

Holy crap! That's it! That's my feelings exactly. That's what I think the stakes are, but Squinch Feb 2020 #33

GMTA. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #38

But your pen works better! Squinch Feb 2020 #40

PS Guess what I'm doing today? Buying socks! Need something to wash when things get Squinch Feb 2020 #42

Hell no! n/t Devil Child Feb 2020 #8

This post a is a bit hypocritical. Renew Deal Feb 2020 #9

What, because Warren was once a registered Republican? No comparison there. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #19

No. I cannot and will not. jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #10

If that (D) meant something special CalFione Feb 2020 #24

Bernie represents that (D) and what it stands for far better than someone who jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #46

I am going to have so much fun tonight watching Elizabeth Warren using Baitball Blogger Feb 2020 #12

And could you feel bad about a candidate who supported Kerry over Bush in 2004? Zambero Feb 2020 #15

Of course I could feel bad about someone who preferred Kerry. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #20

16 years ago? left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #18

Wrong is wrong. He can't claim youth, inexperience, or being indifferent or ill-informed. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #23

Neither can Warren who was a Republican until she was in her 40s. wyldwolf Feb 2020 #30

She does claim to have not been highly political at the time. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #37

you keep moving the goal posts of your point wyldwolf Feb 2020 #43

No goal post moving. I keep coming back to 2004 in particular. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #52

it's silly to push the point but make excuses for Warren wyldwolf Feb 2020 #56

Two things... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #58

ok, have fun with that. wyldwolf Feb 2020 #60

I have a hard time moving on from torture. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #65

Wow, silly! Nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #39

Hereally has hurt Biden's numbers the most not sure why he thinks he can win but I see online lunasun Feb 2020 #21

If he can beat the Con, then yeah, I feel just fine. CrispyQ Feb 2020 #22

Above Sanders? Zolorp Feb 2020 #26

Beating Trump beats any of that stuff redstateblues Feb 2020 #27

Is this all about feeling good? Because kicking Donnie Dump's fat dumper BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #29

Yes. Was there another question? brooklynite Feb 2020 #34

Bloomberg is a winner and knows winners nobuddy Feb 2020 #44

If he's the nominee JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #45

Agree Frances Feb 2020 #47

N O RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #50

Hardly. Over Trump? Yes. apcalc Feb 2020 #51

I'd take him over Tulsi, but that's it. nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #53

Bloomberg never voted with Republicans over and over to stop The Brady Bill. lapucelle Feb 2020 #57

No one is perfect. You and I may simply disagree about which of these two things is worse... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #61

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We'll all feel good when he beats Trump. Assuming he's the nominee. Kaleva Feb 2020 #64