Democratic Primaries

customerserviceguy

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30. Agreed

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:35 PM

Feb 2020

At least I could vote for Bernie with a clear conscience, even though he's far from my first choice.

And those who think Trump is scared of Bloomie are fooling themselves. The two have watched each other at close range for many years now, and they both think they can gain an advantage if it comes down to just the two of them.

However, in this case, Trump would have the benefits of incumbency. Only twice in my lifetime have voters thrown out someone seeking a second term. One of those involved the party in the White House having been their for twelve years (Bush) and the other involved a very damaging fight for re-nomination (Carter). Even Bush had to fend off Pat Buchanan in 1992, who got about a quarter of the GOP vote in the primaries.

Trump will sail through to Election Day with a coronation the likes of which we haven't seen since Tricky Dick in 1972. We will be divided, and MAGAts will be united. Even the never-Trumpers will like their chances of regaining their party in time for the 2024 election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Nominating Bloomberg will fracture the party. [View all] redqueen Feb 2020 OP

So would nominating Bernie... Drunken Irishman Feb 2020 #1

I agree nt gollygee Feb 2020 #5

I agree nt NYFlip Feb 2020 #160

Agree and scared. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #11

Scared because you have limited your reading to Obama's time in the White House and... DemocracyMouse Feb 2020 #103

Not afraid of Bernie's policies and feel assured he believes in every cause he espouses and feels emmaverybo Feb 2020 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Feb 2020 #14

I would be excited about any of those. The problem is that none of them are going to win redstateblues Feb 2020 #71

Or, Trump has more and bigger flaws that will knock him out of the race. NCjack Feb 2020 #107

I feel the same way. pistdem Feb 2020 #77

Me too! rainy Feb 2020 #132

Polls say otherwise Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #17

Sanders didn't win Iowa. There's no such thing as "popular vote" in a caucus. CalFione Feb 2020 #24

If 7 in 10 Democrats don't want Sanders... AverageJoe Feb 2020 #74

True! So everyone who hates Bernie can just relax :) redqueen Feb 2020 #78

I don't think saying that everybody hates Sanders is fair Butterflylady Feb 2020 #90

False - when moderates are split between too many good choices, unelectable extremists win Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #94

Sanders is not in the least bit extreme. His policies are traditional Democratic. DemocracyMouse Feb 2020 #108

Even if that were entirely true, and it's not, his constant bashing and alienating rhetoric Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #163

If that were the scenario at the convention AverageJoe Feb 2020 #126

That assumes that nobody else drops out. McTwisty Feb 2020 #128

Not necessarily true. Whichever candidate comes to the convention with the most delegates, but not still_one Feb 2020 #111

I suspect a nominee more palatable to moderates AverageJoe Feb 2020 #130

I think it will be a mess unless a candidate comes to the convention with enough still_one Feb 2020 #135

No, I think you're right AverageJoe Feb 2020 #140

Yup still_one Feb 2020 #141

Unfortunately he can easily win the nom with 30% in each state Recursion Feb 2020 #186

SDEs no longer determine convention delegates Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #79

Jacobin Magazine is an anti-Democratic Party publication lapucelle Feb 2020 #113

What makes you think 7/10 don't want him at all? FBaggins Feb 2020 #154

Bill Clinton lost the first 6 contests Butterflylady Feb 2020 #87

So we should be rallying behind whoever loses the first 6 states? Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #95

Pete Buttegeig won Iowa and currently leads in delegates.N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #104

We'll see how it goes. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #109

The first two steps in a 20 mile marathon illustrate so very little. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #116

Polls show Sanders with a plurality of support among Democrats... Drunken Irishman Feb 2020 #120

I'm so disappointed Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #148

Yes, let's rely on Facts.. Pete Won Iowa. Cha Feb 2020 #149

It ain't over til it's over Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #171

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Feb 2020 #23

I agree as well. And the DNC is letting it happen. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #32

The polling so far doesn't seem to back you up. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #34

You can't use polls anymore to back up what will happen in the GE Butterflylady Feb 2020 #97

All but Michigan within the MOE... Drunken Irishman Feb 2020 #121

yes MoMof6 Feb 2020 #35

I agree. nt jrthin Feb 2020 #40

Yup. We're in grave danger. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #105

Agreed. MBS Feb 2020 #106

Agree ebbie15644 Feb 2020 #177

Bernie won't alienate moderate voters in PA, WI or MI juliuswest Feb 2020 #189

Wall Street is worried about some of the candidates. eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #2

Bernie can't win the GE. America will not elect a Socialist in 2020 redstateblues Feb 2020 #3

Opinions are not facts. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #7

My entire family refuses to vote for a Socialist interloper. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #44

Bazinga! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #46

But you will vote for the frontrunner Bernie Sanders Lordquinton Feb 2020 #49

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Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #60

I do not have a response for you, either. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #62

Better that than posting one and deleting it. George II Feb 2020 #72

Bazinga! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #86

LOL SunSeeker Feb 2020 #147

Isn't it odd that folks seem to be erasing Pete's Iowa win and his frontrunner status lapucelle Feb 2020 #169

"When?" You mean "if..." ehrnst Feb 2020 #156

Pete Buttegieg is the frontrunner. He has the most delegates. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #167

He is not a socialist. He is a Democratic socialist. AllyCat Feb 2020 #93

I don't think you're wrong. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #4

I wish people would scratch below the surface just a little bit. redqueen Feb 2020 #10

So we're just gonna ignore Bernies view on women? SDANation Feb 2020 #13

Hey, welcome ! Go back to archive 2016 if you want all the vetting over that. Its done. Baked. over. floppyboo Feb 2020 #15

So you think republicans are gonna call hands off cause it's sooo 2016? SDANation Feb 2020 #16

meh. they like trump. would this be a positive or negative story? floppyboo Feb 2020 #19

Haha true! SDANation Feb 2020 #21

Here's where Bloomberg is running strongest ... left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #6

"If Bloomberg can eat into Biden's support among black voters..." He already is brooklynite Feb 2020 #33

It's definitely an eye-opener for this long time Democrat. I thought Bush/Cheney were the worst ever jalan48 Feb 2020 #8

America will not elect a socialist for president left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #9

Bloomberg and his polling disagrees with you Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #22

There are only two choices in the GE. BlueWI Feb 2020 #88

"Any Democratic nominee has a good chance against Trump" left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #99

Nothing can be taken for granted of course. BlueWI Feb 2020 #115

I don't think it will. I think we'll be united in defeating Trump. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #12

Trump fears Bloomberg nobuddy Feb 2020 #18

As a Biden supporter..just an fyi..Bloomberg has hit the ground asiliveandbreathe Feb 2020 #20

I received my first text from Bloomberg's campaign murielm99 Feb 2020 #114

The party is already fractured. MineralMan Feb 2020 #25

2008 Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #36

Yeah, OK. That, too. MineralMan Feb 2020 #37

Honestly, I think the recession did more damage than that primary. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #48

Since 1968 H2O Man Feb 2020 #53

I was home on leave after 15 months on the shores of the Black Sea MineralMan Feb 2020 #59

It was a strange H2O Man Feb 2020 #69

Our country's history has gone up and down multiple times, MineralMan Feb 2020 #170

I'll take Bloomberg over BS and his bro's anyday ! stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #27

As will a Democratic Socialist evertonfc Feb 2020 #28

Bloomberg has A LOT of baggage, but so does Bernie--they are both problematic andym Feb 2020 #29

Agreed customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #30

I don't get the thinking that says Bloomberg can win any easier than Bernie could. redqueen Feb 2020 #39

I agree customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #47

I doubt Bloomberg ever had to ask anyone for favors. redqueen Feb 2020 #55

He didn't go from being an almost nobody customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #61

Sad for Trump. He's not a pimple on Bloomberg's ass. redqueen Feb 2020 #64

Nothing we can do about voting refusers. They prefer TRUMP delisen Feb 2020 #31

Spot on ! DaDeacon Feb 2020 #143

Nominating Sanders would fracture the party...at least Bloomberg might win. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #38

So would Bloomberg. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #42

We have no chance with Sanders. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #43

I would add that I would love Biden to win...I have supported him from the beginning. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #54

My panic about Bernie is two things.. honest.abe Feb 2020 #41

How true. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #138

That's my fear too, but I think Bernie has a chance to beat Trump dustyscamp Feb 2020 #150

Trump and RW media will make it all about the economy. honest.abe Feb 2020 #155

What do you think nominating Sanders will do? Renew Deal Feb 2020 #45

Isn't that opening always there? redqueen Feb 2020 #50

Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2020 #51

There will be an advertising spree on both JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #56

Exactly so. Tbh I used this headline to draw a counterpoint to people saying redqueen Feb 2020 #58

Enough of the infighting Rider3 Feb 2020 #57

RIght back at you nominating Sanders. But Sanders people don't care, as a matter of fact, krissey Feb 2020 #63

I wish. redqueen Feb 2020 #68

It is the smartest thing to do. I can only hope we will choose smart. We use to as Dems, then along krissey Feb 2020 #70

Obama? redqueen Feb 2020 #76

No. I was an Obama. There was a couple times both went over the line a tad, and just a tad. krissey Feb 2020 #80

The only reason many of us would even consider a Bloomberg vote is because of the bridges burned krissey Feb 2020 #82

That tells me very little. So what is the support for Bloomberg based on? redqueen Feb 2020 #118

I am not a spiteful person. If that tells you very little, I know I do not want to spend my time krissey Feb 2020 #144

Ok. Welcome to DU. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #145

The party is already fractured redstateblues Feb 2020 #65

meh, at the end of the day, whomever the nominee is...I will vote for them. Javaman Feb 2020 #66

Bloomberg is dangerous. Red Oak Feb 2020 #67

And millions of Independents might take their place. safeinOhio Feb 2020 #81

Your comment is comical and ironic Red Oak Feb 2020 #172

Some of the richest Democratic Presidents safeinOhio Feb 2020 #175

But they were never Republicans Red Oak Feb 2020 #176

Those working men elected Tramp. safeinOhio Feb 2020 #179

A guess you like Bloomie's Republican policies? Red Oak Feb 2020 #181

Perhaps the least of all, but safeinOhio Feb 2020 #182

Do you like them better than voting for a different Red Oak Feb 2020 #183

Divide and conquer. safeinOhio Feb 2020 #184

Bloomberg is the one dividing the party. Not me. Red Oak Feb 2020 #185

Ok get your facts straight. safeinOhio Feb 2020 #187

Warren saw how people in Wall Street, like Bloomberg, are and she saw how the Republican supported Red Oak Feb 2020 #188

Or like Warren safeinOhio Feb 2020 #190

I would like to remind you who we are running against Red Oak Feb 2020 #191

Bloomberg will not win the nomination bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #73

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #75

I agree about him going full repuke rockfordfile Feb 2020 #83

Yup Magoo48 Feb 2020 #101

Agreed, He was Republican when Kavanaugh was crying about beer and attempted rape. MasonDreams Feb 2020 #110

Uggggghh this list could just go on and on. redqueen Feb 2020 #129

That's like saying Bernie, if elected, will go full Socialist. Both are not true redstateblues Feb 2020 #117

I agree, both are not true. But look at where Bloomberg IS now !! MasonDreams Feb 2020 #139

Bullshit EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #84

if you are promising NOT to vote for the Dem nominee then that's ON YOU! EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #85

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #102

You mean like someone who has never really made much of a legislative splash in 30 years Squinch Feb 2020 #125

Why are you yelling at me about that? redqueen Feb 2020 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #136

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #89

Honestly, every time I log into DU, there is another post about AllyCat Feb 2020 #91

America elected FDR FOUR TIMES! James48 Feb 2020 #92

People back in 1932 said the same thing about FDR Warpy Feb 2020 #96

We DO have such a candidate . James48 Feb 2020 #134

Bernie would be fought tooth and nail by Congress Warpy Feb 2020 #146

WOW this coming from a Sanders supporter whistler162 Feb 2020 #98

VOTE BLUE NO MATER WHO! dsharp88 Feb 2020 #100

What I worry about with Bloomberg Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #112

Oh shit, yeah... redqueen Feb 2020 #133

Fracturing the Party JGug1 Feb 2020 #119

Understood. calimary Feb 2020 #122

it's all irrelevant. removing trump is the only issue AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #123

"Nominating Bloomberg will fracture the party. myohmy2 Feb 2020 #124

If Bloomberg runs against Trump, Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #137

I don't think is will be too devastating to the party, the Democratic party is pretty flexible yaesu Feb 2020 #127

My priority right here and right now is throwing Orange Hitler out Cary Feb 2020 #142

that would be so f'n classic d_b Feb 2020 #151

Why do you hope it happens? Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #164

It seems that regardless of who is nominated there will be fracturing. 33taw Feb 2020 #152

👀 underpants Feb 2020 #153

But nominating Bernie won't fracture the party...you are right because we are ADULTS. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #158

We already are fractured...the question is which candidate can unify the electorate pecosbob Feb 2020 #159

Can I rent a cave room? Hahaha. Red Oak Feb 2020 #174

But Bernie is ok? The irony is Bernie isn't even a Democrat. He won't win the GE. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #161

He never endorsed a Republican President at a National Republican Convention n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #168

OK redqueen, youve officially won Post of the Day...Johnnie, tell everyone what redqueen has won!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #162

Great and accurate post. Not sure why posts of mine about Bloomberg got removed. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #165

Nominating Bloomberg will give 4 more years to Trump. He can afford it, we peons can't. Autumn Feb 2020 #166

At least Bloomberg wants to beat Trump robbedvoter Feb 2020 #173

What's the evidence for your claim that Bernie wants to "blow up the Democratic party"? redqueen Feb 2020 #178

Please and Bernie's won't. Historic NY Feb 2020 #180