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The Velveteen Ocelot

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103. Neither LBJ nor FDR were socialists - not even close.

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:16 PM

Feb 2020

FDR always made it clear as gin that he was not a socialist but a pragmatic moderate who was trying to save capitalism by regulating it.

Running for re-election in 1936, Roosevelt said of his big-money critics: “They are unanimous in their hate of me and I welcome their hatred.”

But when Mr. Sanders quotes that line in his stump speech, he doesn’t mention that Roosevelt soon tacked to the center. He rebuffed calls for national health insurance as impractical, backed a balanced budget, insisted that most welfare be connected to work and supported free trade. As World War II approached, he abandoned the New Deal entirely and invited the corporate titans who loathed him to help him win it. With the end of the war in sight, he renewed his liberal domestic agenda with the landmark G.I. Bill, which inspired today’s Democratic focus on affordable education.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/fdr-democrats-2020.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Where is my party? We have surrendered [View all] evertonfc Feb 2020 OP

I think the odds are we are headed to an open convention, and it isn't going to be pretty still_one Feb 2020 #1

why do you think we are headed to an open convention? counting Feb 2020 #15

No one will have sufficient delegates to get the nomination going into the convention still_one Feb 2020 #27

i think that the candidates will drop out, counting Feb 2020 #37

Yes, that would be preferable to what has happened in previous primaries. ehrnst Feb 2020 #46

We need to do away with super delegates, gab13by13 Feb 2020 #57

Why do we need to do away with Superdelegates? ehrnst Feb 2020 #61

Let me guess, so we would guarantee a brokered convention lol still_one Feb 2020 #118

It didn't happen last time, and it won't happen this time. still_one Feb 2020 #120

It might be just what we need. Steelrolled Feb 2020 #117

DOOM AND GLOOM! RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #2

More like Doom and Gloomberg jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #14

Frankly, both our top choices are just disasters IMO. We're in deep trouble. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #40

Let's give Amy another look... joost5 Feb 2020 #85

LOVE that - I may have to steal it! jmg257 Feb 2020 #71

Thanks! Knock yourself out (Not literally, of course:P) jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #81

How will he win general? Taking emotion out. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #58

I've never hear so much talk about "the coasts" before - talking point? Blues Heron Feb 2020 #3

Neither do I and I live in the Midwest . lunasun Feb 2020 #13

Same here in N. Michigan... N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2020 #51

it's a republican talking point. barbtries Feb 2020 #41

Gosh, I really hate to have to say this, but: Mister Ed Feb 2020 #4

Yes, my eyes are not what they used to be. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #29

You are exactly correct. And we can't afford to lose all that. Squinch Feb 2020 #5

The only thing that could have made that better would have been paragraphs. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #6

And the swing states we need will be lost. Say bye to PA. apcalc Feb 2020 #7

The PA that went for Trump in the electoral college in 16? Doremus Feb 2020 #30

The PA that is more conservative than you think.No socialist! I have been told. apcalc Feb 2020 #32

Hacked, possibly. More likely blue collar workers were sick to death Doremus Feb 2020 #43

The RCP average of polls has Bernie beating Trump in MI, PA, and WI. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #111

Whew nobuddy Feb 2020 #8

I thought this OP was going to be about Bloomberg. yardwork Feb 2020 #9

Clearly you don't care about beating dump 'what will we have won'. Fucking unreal. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #17

+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #34

Nice personal attack there. Geez. yardwork Feb 2020 #79

Just not having Trump in office is worth EVERYTHING TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #26

What will we have won????? Come on. You're smarter than that. Squinch Feb 2020 #28

What do you think Bloomberg will do with our safety net? yardwork Feb 2020 #83

Have you looked at his plans for those things? Squinch Feb 2020 #87

And how will the Democrats protect benefits if they are not in power Moderateguy Feb 2020 #119

No more Donald Trump, keep the House and have a shot at the Senate? Anon-C Feb 2020 #53

"Beloved party"? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #10

For me the doom and gloom True Blue American Feb 2020 #12

Does any caucus represent the party? apcalc Feb 2020 #35

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #62

Wall of Text. nt LexVegas Feb 2020 #11

Yes where is my party who is committing SUICIDE with a Socialist. BLOOMBERG ANY FUCKING DAY. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #16

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #22

I doubt you're the only one. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #25

I will vote to save our country, even if it is not for my preferred candidate. apcalc Feb 2020 #36

He would not win. stuntcat Feb 2020 #18

It will be very difficult defending Sanders if he is our nominee. honest.abe Feb 2020 #19

If these Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #63

Generally speaking I would say moderate Republicans may not like Trump but.. honest.abe Feb 2020 #90

I think Trump is picking our candidate Natalieb Feb 2020 #72

Perfect way to DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #86

At least Bernie is willing to fucking try put some of those "noble ideas" into action for the people Autumn Feb 2020 #20

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #21

Awww RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #23

Gee when I read Where Is My Party I thought for sure you were dismayed Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #24

This is why we must get behind Bloomberg GanjaGrower Feb 2020 #31

The polls show Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #38

I'm more dismayed about Bloomberg Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #33

K&R. (nt) Paladin Feb 2020 #39

When you say "we are not fucking Democratic Socialists," ramen Feb 2020 #42

Sanders is a disaster waiting to happen. MarianJack Feb 2020 #44

I know the feeling! maddiemom Feb 2020 #69

Nothing against Bernie, but Biden stands a much better chance of winning in a general election world wide wally Feb 2020 #45

I've always liked VP Joe. MarianJack Feb 2020 #78

when you think about it DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #88

Then why didn't Joe do better in Iowa and New Hampshire, and why are his totodeinhere Feb 2020 #113

Trump sliming world wide wally Feb 2020 #115

Please they don't represent our party. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #123

Our party did such a great job winning Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and PA IronLionZion Feb 2020 #47

I live in Michigan. llmart Feb 2020 #55

Well, Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #60

We were going to win all of those states, with only Ohio being close, until Comey intervened. StevieM Feb 2020 #68

None of our candidates have an email scandal or Comey to deal with this year IronLionZion Feb 2020 #82

First of all, the email controversy wasn't a real scandal. StevieM Feb 2020 #109

ooooooh myyyyy, time to head to the fallout shelter, the sky is falling, its all over folks yaesu Feb 2020 #48

Its my party & I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to, you would cry too if it yaesu Feb 2020 #49

"Now it's Biden's turn to cry, Biden's turn to cry..." Ligyron Feb 2020 #73

Must have listened to Chris Matthews tiredtoo Feb 2020 #50

K and R Stuart G Feb 2020 #52

What do you think of Trump's financials with Deutsche Bank? His connections to ancianita Feb 2020 #54

Excellent post! Wow. mdelaguna Feb 2020 #67

Amazing post. And thank you for "hang with this process." You're right. Squinch Feb 2020 #89

... ancianita Feb 2020 #94

The sky is falling. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #56

I Hear You and Here's an Idea! McKim Feb 2020 #59

+1 I like your Sanders/Warren pick. It's got vote draw on lots of levels. ancianita Feb 2020 #64

We will lose 35 states and likely the house. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #124

evvvvery day NJCher Feb 2020 #65

FDR & LBJ would have a serious disagreement with those REPUBLICON talking points yaesu Feb 2020 #66

Neither LBJ nor FDR were socialists - not even close. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #103

We are the same age JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #70

Millennials are rising and a new way is coming!!!! peoli Feb 2020 #74

They didn't rise up in NH. They made up 14% of the electors. Just like they always do. Squinch Feb 2020 #91

That's 14% that will never vote for Bloomberg peoli Feb 2020 #100

In 2018, the youth vote did turn out in huge numbers. Did they vote for Our Revolution or any Squinch Feb 2020 #101

#bendtheknee Codeine Feb 2020 #114

Sanders pamdb Feb 2020 #75

I think you answer your own question, the party supporters are trying to eat their own Perseus Feb 2020 #76

I don't know whether Sanders can win or not. Lonestarblue Feb 2020 #77

Just a reminder, Sanders is an Independent not a Democrat BarbD Feb 2020 #80

As long as we're reminding people of things: Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #95

Change is Hard HopeAgain Feb 2020 #84

No it isn't. We know this because we have watched the rule of law be dismantled in only 3 years. Squinch Feb 2020 #92

This coming from a Bloomberg supporter. HopeAgain Feb 2020 #97

BS supporters complaining about stop and frisk is what's rich. Yes, stop and frisk was Squinch Feb 2020 #99

That's rediculous HopeAgain Feb 2020 #102

No, Clinton didn't propose it. Biden wrote it. And that's convenient. Bernie is not responsible Squinch Feb 2020 #104

Oppression is achieved through economics in this Country HopeAgain Feb 2020 #105

Ah yes. The "economics solve racism" nonsense. AKA, if its good for young white kids it must be good Squinch Feb 2020 #106

I actually remember the crime bill from 1994. StevieM Feb 2020 #110

Change is easy. Unintended consequences though, can be rather hard. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #107

What have the moderates brought us? HopeAgain Feb 2020 #108

We need to package Sanders' goals into a suburban and 2018 electorate friendly candidate - Warren! LonePirate Feb 2020 #93

I agree. Where is my party? Bernie's platform is similar to FDR's and LBJ's brutus smith Feb 2020 #96

I could write a post with the same title but it would be about neoliberal economic policy redqueen Feb 2020 #98

re: "becoming a millionaire at the tax payer expense" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #112

Delores Huerta, Ron Dellums, John Sweeney- democratic socialists. David__77 Feb 2020 #116

It happend long ago Go Vols Feb 2020 #121

Amen TomCADem Feb 2020 #122