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thesquanderer

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16. Fine, take him to task here for changing his mind. But not breaking a promise.

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 07:45 PM

Feb 2020

And come on, "he doesn't change" is a non sequitur here. Next you'll be saying, OMG, he changed his underwear, I thought he doesn't change!

Not changing refers to the fact that he has almost entirely the same basic philosophies he's had for 40+ years. I'm sure you can find little changes here and there, but this isn't about looking for gotcha's, it's about the fact that, overall, he has been remarkably consistent for a politician. Most of the floor speeches you can find from decades past are things you could as easily imagine him saying today. He's not perfect, but he does have the virtue of not needing to run away from or explain away or apologize for old votes/positions/actions as much as your typical candidate. Even his critics usually give him that much.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Looks like Sanders' breaking his promise to release his health records is getting more attention [View all] highplainsdem Feb 2020 OP

He said he would release his full records. MontanaMama Feb 2020 #1

He's being compared to Trump by the media. Just what we need... highplainsdem Feb 2020 #2

If records prove your case, then you release them. JaneQPublic Feb 2020 #11

Yep. Putting the election at stake in the service of personal ambition is something that ehrnst Feb 2020 #32

That is not coach. It's domestic first class WA-03 Democrat Feb 2020 #54

Just damn, another "Better than Trump" in areas while America needs total opposite of Trump uponit7771 Feb 2020 #26

Plus Sanders spokeswoman falsely said Boomberg "has suffered heart attacks" left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #3

I don't see how a stint is 100% better than no heart attack uponit7771 Feb 2020 #27

a stent can prevent a heart attack n/t left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #31

Yeah, especially when he has his press sec out there Cha Feb 2020 #4

Remember last time when every poll asked who the voter thought was "honest and trustworthy"? Walleye Feb 2020 #5

I like Bernie, but... joost5 Feb 2020 #6

"Pledging" "Promising" "Giving his word" -- Where?? thesquanderer Feb 2020 #13

What about doing a 180, going back on one's word, about-face, backpedaling? ehrnst Feb 2020 #15

Fine, take him to task here for changing his mind. But not breaking a promise. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #16

OH...so it's "Changing his mind" ehrnst Feb 2020 #17

Fine, call it flip-flopping. That's also accurate. Saying it's breaking a promise isn't. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #20

But Sanders has referred to "flip flopping" as a dealbreaker when other politicians do it, ehrnst Feb 2020 #21

I think it's a non-issue, but I'm curious... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #23

Yes. For purposes of citation, a prominent example of his using the term "flip-flop" ehrnst Feb 2020 #25

That link just went to your previous post. Also... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #34

Yes, there is a link in that previous post. ehrnst Feb 2020 #36

Ah, had to click through that link to the next one... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #38

I gave you the definition of the term "dealbreaker" ehrnst Feb 2020 #40

I already agreed that you could call it a flip-flop... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #46

BS said.. Cha Feb 2020 #60

Correct. Thank you for helping make my point. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #61

What he said should be good enough to actually do it. Cha Feb 2020 #62

Fine. As I said, I was not arguing that what he released was (or wasn't) good enough, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #63

It's my conversation.. he said it.. and it should be good Cha Feb 2020 #64

If statements of intent were equivalent to promises, we wouldn't so often followup a statement with thesquanderer Feb 2020 #65

I love Bernie but cilla4progress Feb 2020 #7

He hired and leads his team, but takes no responsibility for them. Taraman Feb 2020 #8

From people who were never going to vote for Bernie anyway, yes it is. DanTex Feb 2020 #9

You mean like people who pay attention when a candidate does an about-face on a promise? ehrnst Feb 2020 #14

He really should release them. TDale313 Feb 2020 #10

This behavior is no better than Trump and Democrats are better than this. Don't promise us the krissey Feb 2020 #12

Sanders floated it out about a month ago and did not get much push back. Now he is. Good. krissey Feb 2020 #18

He has referred to that as "flip-flopping" in other candidates.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #19

What happens if @BernieSanders becomes the nominee & then suffers another heart attack? Gothmog Feb 2020 #22

I was wondering bdamomma Feb 2020 #24

A great thing for Bernie to do... Mike Nelson Feb 2020 #28

That would be a humble, sincere, generous thing to do. ehrnst Feb 2020 #29

He's hiding something. I can't support a candidate who's not honest about their health. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #30

He can have Trump's doctor sign a letter of good health. keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #33

haha! By Trump's standard, Bernie's in TOP shape. joost5 Feb 2020 #44

By Bernie's standard of what he said "people deserve to know about their Senator" ehrnst Feb 2020 #45

A brand new version of " But the birth certificate!!!" Autumn Feb 2020 #35

But far less than he said he would, and what the "people deserve" ehrnst Feb 2020 #37

I don't bother reading anything past your headers . It doesn't matter what he said and I have yet Autumn Feb 2020 #39

Hurts that much, eh? He promised what no other candidate did, then didn't follow through ehrnst Feb 2020 #41

Not a thing hurts me. All I see is black marks on a white screen. Autumn Feb 2020 #42

And now the "Anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you" reposte. ehrnst Feb 2020 #43

Wish I could rec your post. Since I'm responsible for the best part. Thanks! Autumn Feb 2020 #47

Before anyone votes for him, they have to assess which of his other promises he'll fail to keep. George II Feb 2020 #49

That promise is on video, it's been all over this site. George II Feb 2020 #51

We can require that all candidates who have had a heart attack in the last several months release... George II Feb 2020 #48

And then what George? Aneurysms next? Dems are not as a rule, at least the ones I know, fond Autumn Feb 2020 #57

A heart attack is a VERY serious condition. It disqualifies one from flying an aircraft.... George II Feb 2020 #58

Sorry, but no SoCalNative Feb 2020 #55

Sorry, but yes it is. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #56

And well it should! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #50

What is Bernie afraid of? at140 Feb 2020 #52

I have to say, I always wonder if it is fair... dawg day Feb 2020 #53

A "doctor's note" is not good enough. Voters deserve to know what condition led to his heart attack emmaverybo Feb 2020 #59