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krissey

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37. I knew this plan would end up costing people that are making 11 an hour, unable to pay monthly

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:59 AM

Feb 2020

cost of living. I am paying $1.11 a month for bronze, I just got off silver at $148 a month. I cannot afford ANYTHING out of my paycheck unless he is saying it will amount to $1.11 a month. And I am sure that is not going to happen.

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Did I hear Bernie mention a payroll tax? [View all] RandySF Feb 2020 OP

Instead of healthcare spending of any kind? applegrove Feb 2020 #1

I pay a small premium and no deductible RandySF Feb 2020 #8

Look at your paystub now MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #33

Will it go up or remain the same? RandySF Feb 2020 #34

One way or another, middle class taxes will go up (whether it's payroll or income tax)... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #43

Bernie has said both are going up for middle income folks HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #64

his bogus spin - your med bills go down, your taxes go up. no net change really nt msongs Feb 2020 #2

Yes. Total tripe. nt DURHAM D Feb 2020 #5

What about healthy people that have no medical bills to speak of? Blue_true Feb 2020 #17

Seriously? TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #24

Most people don't think of one accident away. Blue_true Feb 2020 #26

Tell that to children. Hey, kid, why didn't you prevent.. dawg day Feb 2020 #57

I am not interested in engaging emotional arguments. Blue_true Feb 2020 #88

That's actually an emotional argument-- "It's your own fault!" dawg day Feb 2020 #104

re:"MFA is great for sick people, not for healthier people that have small premium and expenditures" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #51

Yes and before Medicare, who paid for Grandma? dawg day Feb 2020 #54

Lifestyle affects both the cost of healthcare and insurance rates. Blue_true Feb 2020 #89

re: "It is insane of you to basically state otherwise." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #96

You danced around my central point. Blue_true Feb 2020 #100

re: "but the ACA already has mechanisms to do that, why don't we build on what exists" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #101

Australia has a dual system, so does Canada and Britain. Blue_true Feb 2020 #102

Your employer probably paid 3x that premium. dawg day Feb 2020 #52

OK, so does Bernie's plan FORCE empoyers to move that $$ they pay as a healthcare sdfernando Feb 2020 #56

Just pointing out we pay a whole lot already. dawg day Feb 2020 #59

Bernie HAS NOT figured out the total cost. He is selling you a dream. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #91

He hasn't sold me anything. I have similar doubts about Sanders's plan. dawg day Feb 2020 #105

You know what the main reason behind stagnate is for the last 20 years? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #68

Some people need more than emotional arguments and claims. Blue_true Feb 2020 #92

Yale says $450 billion less than we pay now. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #94

When does that $450 billion starts getting saved? Blue_true Feb 2020 #98

Bernie doesn't have a plan. He really hasn't looked into details like Blue_true Feb 2020 #90

If you don't have kids, you still pay school taxes. dawg day Feb 2020 #55

Please give more than emotional justifications. Blue_true Feb 2020 #93

I'm not justifying anything about Sanders's plan-- dawg day Feb 2020 #103

But... other countries give comprehensive care dawg day Feb 2020 #53

Yes. DURHAM D Feb 2020 #3

Payroll taxes are regressive. Did he really say that (I'm not watching)? George II Feb 2020 #4

Yes DURHAM D Feb 2020 #7

Yes he did. Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #11

re: "Payroll taxes are regressive. " thesquanderer Feb 2020 #39

That should be a deal breaker for everyone. madaboutharry Feb 2020 #6

It will be a deal breaker for a lot of general election voters. nt. MH1 Feb 2020 #14

Also there will be an increase in the federal income tax for middle income folks on top of that HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #18

Exactly. Where ACA take that amount into account when calculating payment. krissey Feb 2020 #38

A payroll tax to pay for healthcare? N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #9

Yes. R B Garr Feb 2020 #12

Will there be a second payrol tax to pay off student debt? N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #13

LOL, exactly. R B Garr Feb 2020 #19

Everyone doesn't have student debt TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #25

So the plan is to institute a regressive tax because "everyone needs healthcare". lapucelle Feb 2020 #29

It's not regressive. Mosby Feb 2020 #62

Payroll taxes are by definition regressive. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #63

Hardly, they are based on the number of employees and hours worked Mosby Feb 2020 #66

Do you know what payroll taxes are and who pays them? lapucelle Feb 2020 #67

How is paying into social security regressive? Mosby Feb 2020 #77

It's not unusual for business owners not to understand lapucelle Feb 2020 #80

Your link Mosby Feb 2020 #83

Yes I know. lapucelle Feb 2020 #85

Lower income people have a better ROI from their payments into the system. Mosby Feb 2020 #97

That doesn't lessen the impact of the tax being regressive lapucelle Feb 2020 #99

The current payroll tax of 1.5% would go up to at least 7.5%, stopbush Feb 2020 #21

That would cut my current healthcare costs per month in half. I'll take it. TCJ70 Feb 2020 #79

You would also need to pay a premium of $135 per month for each family member, stopbush Feb 2020 #81

That's still cheaper...n/t TCJ70 Feb 2020 #86

And of course, your employer would also need to pay that 7.5% tax on each of stopbush Feb 2020 #87

That's less than they currently contribute to my health insurance... TCJ70 Feb 2020 #95

BINGO! This is something he and his camp never mention. R B Garr Feb 2020 #10

re: "Plus he never considered union benefits" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #40

lol, that article is a few months old and it explains that the "new" revised plan R B Garr Feb 2020 #45

You said he never considered it, but he addressed it 6 months ago. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #46

He never considered it -- until it became an obvious omission, lol. That much is obvious. R B Garr Feb 2020 #47

Probably because that was the first time he got that feedback about it. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #50

Thanks for continuing to make my point. He never considered obvious things like union benefits, R B Garr Feb 2020 #69

re: "so what else is he putting out there that needs so much 'feedback.' " thesquanderer Feb 2020 #70

Your own article shows the correction he had to make to even have a dialogue about R B Garr Feb 2020 #71

re: "You are trying to take insurance away from 150 to 160 million people" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #72

No. M4A takes away insurance from 150 to 160 million people and forces them on to R B Garr Feb 2020 #73

if you think every plan has to be perfect before it is presented, then ok, we'll never agree... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #76

No. You are just flat out wrong. Your article just proved my point, so thanks for that. R B Garr Feb 2020 #78

re: "nothing but petty insults and misinformation." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #82

Your first post was an article that supported what I said about union rights. Union rights were R B Garr Feb 2020 #84

Sanders acknowledged - you make more than 29K per year? PAYROLL TAX on you Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #15

My brother would not be alive without his union health insurance.... George II Feb 2020 #20

So the real Bernie is finally showing his hand? dware Feb 2020 #16

He claims that the employers who are saving their premium costs would instead... George II Feb 2020 #22

Yeah, because dware Feb 2020 #23

You'd have to make them, by law ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #30

If that became a law it would be struck down by the courts in a New York minute. George II Feb 2020 #31

Why? mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #32

Same here democrattotheend Feb 2020 #42

Yup ... and at my office I've heard it's $1500/month to add spouse and kids ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #44

If you are considered to be an "essential employee" then it definitely matters. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #48

What do they do that with ... like hedge fund managers and stuff? mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #49

My experience was in the insurance industry (property & casualty). TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #60

No, employers do NOT need to stay on the hook SoCalNative Feb 2020 #58

These are not mutually exclusive ideas ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #61

For union members, it would be required by law... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #41

He did. herding cats Feb 2020 #27

Another reason why BS would get crushed in a general... Callado119 Feb 2020 #28

Yup, totally crushed, smashed. And for good reason. R B Garr Feb 2020 #35

The mandatory employee ownership idea is a non-starter as well ecstatic Feb 2020 #36

I don't get this at all...who the fuck is Sanders to decide how a business starts their Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #107

I knew this plan would end up costing people that are making 11 an hour, unable to pay monthly krissey Feb 2020 #37

Your income taxes will also increase under Bernie's M4A plan HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #65

This is how it always works with some...they never consider the consequences of what they propose... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #74

I am 8 years away from Medicare Zolorp Feb 2020 #75

K Cha Feb 2020 #106

I believe that was one of the things that killed single payer in his own home state ehrnst Feb 2020 #109