Democratic Primaries

LiberalFighter

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55. There are at least two reasons that automatic delegates are included.

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:00 PM

Feb 2020

1) It gives them more ownership in the process and thereby involvement in getting the nominee elected as President.

2) The automatic delegates are more in the know and have a better feel of what is happening both at the state and national level. Some of those automatic delegates are also Governors of states as well as state party chairs. They have access to polling data and other info not available to the elected delegates. They are also in contact with nearly 700 other DNC members.

Back to the rest of your post.
True, but there never will be a national runoff of course.
True, Sanders chance relies on splintered opposition.
True, just saw whining about last nite and they posted something from Marianne Williamson of all people talking about he should win even if it is only a plurality.
And your last two statements combined. True. If we want to win we need to galvanized and coalesce enough supporters against Trump. If there were only 2 candidates in the primaries, the winner is not likely Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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"Follow the rules" is not a rebuttal to "the person with the most votes/delegates should win". [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

That's not what he said four years ago when he was running behind. RandySF Feb 2020 #1

+1. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #5

Exactly! n.t. spicysista Feb 2020 #30

Getting 25 - 30% of the vote radical noodle Feb 2020 #2

It makes a difference how close Bernie is to a majority of delegates, first round. denem Feb 2020 #3

Agree completely Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #14

Yes x1000. MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #45

Beat Trump, then fix the rules. I'm tired of hearing about the 2016 primary. marble falls Feb 2020 #4

The rules don't need fixing. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #48

I agree, but the debate needs to wait until after we beat Trump. I wouldn't mind if Hillary ... marble falls Feb 2020 #57

I seriously doubt that Hillary would even consider it. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #58

I do, too. I think she was ill treated and she has a bad taste of what happened ... marble falls Feb 2020 #59

The rules are the rules...and Hillary would not be a good idea given she has issues in the very Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #69

As I suggested elsewhere, the ONLY way to really know the will of the people if no candidate has a highplainsdem Feb 2020 #6

Voter preferences... DanTex Feb 2020 #9

And there have been polls showing Biden crushing Sanders by as much as 29 points. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #12

No there haven't. DanTex Feb 2020 #15

Yes, there have, and I've posted about them here. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #17

August 2019 LOL. DanTex Feb 2020 #19

We're still a long way from the convention. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #24

Btw, here's my OP about their Dec. poll, Biden 26 points over Sanders. 32 points in October. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #34

However, Sweden has nearly twice the billionaires per capita than the United States ehrnst Feb 2020 #37

Wait..."Fiction?" The_Counsel Feb 2020 #39

What's false is the assumption that it means he'd only get 25% in a 2-person race. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #64

Where would he get the support Warren? I believe Warren is out after Carolina certainly after super Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #70

...Except No One Is Saying That. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #71

The implication of all the "75% chose someone else" posts is... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #72

LOL...There Is No "Implication." That Is Fact. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #73

Then what do you think is the purpose of people saying that? Garrett78 Feb 2020 #74

Restating the Numbers in Plain English. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #80

Yet they aren't saying that about any other candidate. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #82

They Don't Have to. The Scenario Still Applies. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #84

What.. "#bendtheknee"?! Excellent way to turn people Away! Cha Feb 2020 #63

There are at least two reasons that automatic delegates are included. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #55

If it's a brokered convention, Bernie is shit out of luck. Sorry. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #7

The problem isn't Bernie being SOL, it's the Dems if the party fractures. DanTex Feb 2020 #10

Bernie would destroy our Party (not his) for a chance to get his ass kicked by Trump PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #11

The party won't fracture unless Sanders and his supporters refuse to play by the rules and throw highplainsdem Feb 2020 #13

Calling it a "tantrum" or "blackmail" will certainly not help prevent a party fracture. DanTex Feb 2020 #16

Those are the most accurate terms for it. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #18

Umm, no they aren't. And if they are going to pull some brokered thing, I REALLY hope they DanTex Feb 2020 #22

I'm being direct because this is a message board. There are more civil ways to point out those highplainsdem Feb 2020 #36

Unfortunately, the media and even other candidates are also jumping on the false "Bernie Bro" DanTex Feb 2020 #38

The problem for Sanders is that the Bernie Bro narrative isn't false, and pretty much everyone who highplainsdem Feb 2020 #41

"Petty much everyone who isn't Sanders." DanTex Feb 2020 #42

You can keep pretending it isn't a problem as long as you like. The media and debate focus on it highplainsdem Feb 2020 #43

Oh, I know the media focus on it won't go away. DanTex Feb 2020 #44

Still using the old media canard, eh? It's a effective fallback to hide his failures. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #51

I'm not going to refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee if it turns out... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #21

Me either. I'm voting Blue no matter who. DanTex Feb 2020 #27

The will of the electorate is the person that is able to amass the majority of delegates... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #33

Most Dems would be willing to risk the "Wrath of the Berners" than the risk of a Sanders nomination. honest.abe Feb 2020 #83

Yes. There is no way Bernie comes out of brokered convention the winner. honest.abe Feb 2020 #81

Damn straight. Those were lazy ass answers. Alex4Martinez Feb 2020 #8

So, Bernie will blow up the Dem Party if he leads without a majority and doesn't get the nomination Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #20

Bernie's going to support the nominee whoever it is. He's been clear on that. DanTex Feb 2020 #23

He was also clear on releasing his full medical records. ehrnst Feb 2020 #25

Another upper cut by Elizabeth Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #28

Yeah, like he did in 2016 Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #26

He did more rallies for HRC than HRC did for Obama in 2008. DanTex Feb 2020 #29

I don't recall HRC reciting the number of pledged delegates she got when she endorsed Obama ehrnst Feb 2020 #32

.. Cha Feb 2020 #65

Clear as mud. lark Feb 2020 #35

He's clear on a lot of things he later refuses. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #52

Follow the rules is a perfectly good response to someone who is complaining about the ehrnst Feb 2020 #31

Actually the rules state Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #40

Then they should use rank choice voting not superdelegates dbolski Feb 2020 #46

Rank choice voting is not in the rules Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #49

So you would also support ending the caucus system during the primaries, yes?. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #66

They said "follow the process" and that's what they will do. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #47

It depends on how disliked the person with the most votes is with Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #50

Odd. Four years ago when he was behind, the story was completely opposite. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #53

Bernie and his supporters were OK with a brokered convention in 2016 showblue22 Feb 2020 #54

Where To Begin? IF---Bernie has 40% of the delegates at the convention and Atticus Feb 2020 #56

So nice to see you committing to Senator Sanders on DU. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #60

And 4 years ago, your candidate argued for the exact OPPOSITE position CalFione Feb 2020 #61

Sanders was going for thsoe very rules end of 2016, right? Can't change them as the wind blows. krissey Feb 2020 #62

True Beringia Feb 2020 #67

But Dan...if Sanders has a 27 or 30 % of the vote... and he is not leading in delegates as we Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #68

The rules are you need a majority of delegates. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #75

But if there's no majority, someone has to win. DanTex Feb 2020 #76

If the 25% person.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #78

Agreed RE: Ranked Choice Voting The_Counsel Feb 2020 #85

Sanders played himself here JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #77

The person with the most delegates AT THE END OF THE PROCESS is the winner... SidDithers Feb 2020 #79

...Except the Process Doesn't End Until Someone Has a Majority. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #86