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H2O Man

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Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:08 PM
Feb 2020

That's an interesting and important topic for conversation. Thank you for bringing it up here, as it is something that we should all keep in mind during both the primary season and as we enter the general election campaign. It's something I touched upon in an earlier post today, and I hope that you don't mind if I expand upon that here.

The first thing that is essential to understand is that, as long as the Democratic Party is united, any one of the current primary candidates will defeat him. The presidential election is, of course, fifty state elections that combine to determine the outcome. We can crush Trump, and regain a number of Senate seats, if we are united in purpose.

The only thing that can allow for another Trump “victory” is if party members are divided by hostilities. It is that simple. Knowing that, we can easily identify the manner in which Russian intelligence is taking to disrupt the election. It's not a mystery.

Before examining these closer, it is important to recognize that Russian intelligence does not have to do as much in specific areas, as they did in 2016. They don't need to meet with Junior at Trump Towers. For they have organized ignorant Americans at the grass roots level to do the eavy lifting.

This week, for example, a person I know posted a meme on FB claiming Speaker Pelosi stole $3 billion from Social Security to fund the impeachment. A number of his beast fiends were outraged. I said that while I believe stupid people have the right to vote, I was convinced that no person that ignorant of how government works should be allowed to graduate from high school. Still, I am confident that people this ignorant will continue to parrot any lie they encounter on the internet.

Thus, we see that the first goal is to identify the biases, prejudices, fears, and hatreds of a group …..or, in this case, two groups, as they will seek to inject infiltrators inside both Democratic and republican circles. After evaluating each group, related but separate goals are identified for the infiltrators of each group. With the Democrats, the goal is to divide them by applying subtle to not-so-subtle pressure on those four fault lines; with republicans, it is to create the unity of herd mentality.

There needs to be no overt planning between Russian intelligence, the Trump campaign, the republicans in Congress, and the grass roots in 2020. They already know the deal, like any other rat in a maze they have previously completed.

Speaking of rats …..people might want to re-read pages 247 to 316 of the book, “The Senate Watergate Report.” It details the tactics and crimes that Nixon's CREEPs participated in, to divide the people that made up the various Democratic candidates' campaigns. Much of it, as you know, was to kneecap Senator Muskie, and there was an attempt – especially by Patrick Buchanan – to have McGovern become the nominee.

It is essential to recognize that this was due to polling in 1972. Despite some attempts to identify the Muskie-McGovern dynamics as similar to today's, we see that our current candidates all do well against Trump in the polling. Yet the goal of dividing by “rat-fucking,” as the Nixonites called it in '72. And we see how they plan to accomplish that.

The Russians will attempt to infiltrate the servers of Democratic groups, and likely to try to change voter registration in specific districts in certain states. That's a given. But we can still crush Trump et al, if we are united in November. Crush them, I say!

The republicans do not need Russians to identify where they can apply pressure to try to fracture that unity. It all comes down to the synergy of ignorance, emotions, and foolish speculation. Does one group of Democrats have a bias against a specific candidate and his/her followers? Make any claim against them that appeals to their biases, prejudices, fears, and hatreds. Pretend that Trump “really” wants to run against any candidate, despite what the polls show, and a portion of the audience will not only believe it, but will spread the word, and it will feed the beast.

One might also read the book”Malcolm X: The FBI Files,” or watch the new Netflicks series on who killed Malcolm. Or study the infiltration and disruption of the Black Panthers or the American Indian Movement. Or watch Michael Moore's “Fahrenheit 9/11” again, paying particular attention to the infiltration of the cookies 7 milk anti-war group. It's a simple pattern. Rudy G's friends among the nest of right-wing retired FBI members know this. It's so simply, they do not need a Russian playbook. In fact, Russia borrowed our's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Good Point About K. Eichenwald Me. Feb 2020 #4
It worked in 2016 nobuddy Feb 2020 #24
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I've always thought that...Hillary in 2018 we would of had Obama in 2016. I've always UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #35
I agree. Malmsy Feb 2020 #51
Social Media Propaganda, $$$, hacking where possible TDale313 Feb 2020 #2
They Have Agents / Operatives Pretending To Be Supporters Trashing Other Supporters DanieRains Feb 2020 #3
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This! onecaliberal Feb 2020 #59
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I don't think this site has any. Blue_true Feb 2020 #32
Why bother? Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #46
It's not difficult to figure out... Mike Nelson Feb 2020 #6
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We Don't Know Yet Me. Feb 2020 #10
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What? apcalc Feb 2020 #13
OMG MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #40
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Which Candidate? Me. Feb 2020 #27
I think there are 2, but one has shot up in polls recently. Hoyt Feb 2020 #28
+1 2naSalit Feb 2020 #55
Chaos MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #41
Saw that last night. Hoyt Feb 2020 #42
The goal is to get people thinking like this. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #45
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I believe it apcalc Feb 2020 #34
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disinformation campaigns about certain candidates to pump up other candidates CalFione Feb 2020 #33
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Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2020 #49
I think it would be helpful if you do. PETRUS Feb 2020 #61
Adding the link to your OP here, well worth a read! JudyM Feb 2020 #63
Thanks JudyM ! H2O Man Feb 2020 #64
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They obviously drugged Bloomberg before the debate. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #44
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The Russians are doing it with the full knowledge and support democratisphere Feb 2020 #52
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Their best bet to help Trump would be doc03 Feb 2020 #56
And Yes Me. Feb 2020 #58
Trump's Latest Intelligence Meltdown Isn't About the Facts. It's About the Truth. elleng Feb 2020 #60
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