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Hoyt

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59. Actually, there will be a number of well-off people willing to pay more not to be in the same
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

system most of us will have.

In fact, I'll bet 20% or more will opt for higher cost, concierge type care to go to select professional providers and hospitals. There are Medicare beneficiaries right now, who go to doctors who have dropped out of Medicare. These patients keep there Medicare coverage in case that get really sick (ie, expensively sick).

That's going to be another issue that will have to be dealt with in implementing a single payer system.

Please note, I am not for this -- because it will siphon off physicians, etc., who are perceived as higher quality -- but I bet it will be found unconstitutional to force people into a public system.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Is there anyone who would rather have a choice? brooklynite Feb 2020 #1
44 million single payer Americans say otherwise. Quality in any facility is as good as what's there ancianita Feb 2020 #9
Yes and no democrattotheend Feb 2020 #18
MOST do not. Providers? You're talking about middlemen premium collectors who only give ancianita Feb 2020 #36
Providers doctors and hospitals democrattotheend Feb 2020 #70
I think I remember reading 40% are on some form of government healthcare. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #32
Few people have a choice right now. And there will still be a choice for supplemental. DanTex Feb 2020 #13
This if false, I do have a choice right now to just go uncovered if I want to. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #20
Yes, that is the one and only choice that is truly being taken away in these proposals. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #38
The worst healthcare is when one can't afford deductibles to use it! at140 Feb 2020 #54
Source for this $5K figure? Because the numbers don't seem to call for any M4A premium that high. ancianita Feb 2020 #2
I believe he was engaging in a hypothetical argument ibegurpard Feb 2020 #8
Ah. Well, the numbers can really sell M4A. ancianita Feb 2020 #11
It is meaningless, if it can't pass CalFione Feb 2020 #3
Source for the 25T debt claim? ancianita Feb 2020 #12
here CalFione Feb 2020 #15
Thanks. The cost differentials are big, but from my readings from PNHP, administrative savings are ancianita Feb 2020 #35
I'm willing to bet the transition costs... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #62
Warren has already said that eliminating the Big Fossil YEARLY $5 TRILLION SUBSIDY will help pay ancianita Feb 2020 #63
It'll help. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #64
A LOT. ancianita Feb 2020 #65
Let's assume "not Sanders" wins the presidency and the Rs keep the Senate. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #14
The court cases against Obamacare will be dropped, the Health Dept will reinforce it CalFione Feb 2020 #23
So you are saying that a Republican led Senate is going to pass a public option? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #26
No. CalFione Feb 2020 #28
It's not an either or situation. And as far as the amount of tax, no one knows how much it will be. George II Feb 2020 #4
I want a plan that includes a realistic transition and.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #5
Many hold a quasi-religious conviction that private enterprise must be supported, lauded, untethered FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #6
Some hold a quasi-religious conviction that private enterprise must be destroyed. George II Feb 2020 #10
Not only that ibegurpard Feb 2020 #7
Well, Warren's main funding source is a tax on businesses. Fine with that, but she should be honest Hoyt Feb 2020 #17
a tax on business is still going to be far less ibegurpard Feb 2020 #22
Don't bet on it. Prior to Nov 2019, Warren was projecting cost of MFA at $3.5 Trillion. Now, Hoyt Feb 2020 #25
you are conflating the the cost of a total program ibegurpard Feb 2020 #30
Yes, that is total program. Taxes will have to pay for that. So businesses will be hit with a tax. Hoyt Feb 2020 #34
Again ibegurpard Feb 2020 #39
Let me make it simple for you. Suppose a business doesn't provide health insurance, now. Hoyt Feb 2020 #43
Apparently so. Some people -- many ignorant -- don't trust a government plan. Yet, Sanders Hoyt Feb 2020 #16
That lack of trust comes from being bamboozled by corporate "healthcare" PR that muddles their ancianita Feb 2020 #42
No, the lack of trust comes from Warren and Sanders' saying, "They know better and their plan Hoyt Feb 2020 #45
THAT there is wrong. They say exactly what plan costs AND greater benefits to ALL Americans will ancianita Feb 2020 #50
Nope, they are pushing "MFA, whether you want/trust it or not." Hoyt Feb 2020 #52
Cite that quote. Show a source. That's your interpretation presented as fact. ancianita Feb 2020 #53
Christ, that is what "Medicare-for-All" means. The operative word is "All." It's SINGLE payer. Hoyt Feb 2020 #55
Oh, okay. But YOU use it as some weaponized threat with your "no other choice" implication. ancianita Feb 2020 #58
The math doesn't work ... PERIOD!!! ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #19
Yes, it does. Even common sense looks at private vs public cost shows that M4A tax is way lower ancianita Feb 2020 #44
Some people aren't paying any premiums or are paying very low ones. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #21
But the employers do. Employees don't technically pay payroll taxes either, employers do. DanTex Feb 2020 #24
And do you seriously think Freddie Feb 2020 #29
Yes, for the same reason that if they have to pay a lot more for healthcare, DanTex Feb 2020 #31
. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #61
Yes, that is how labor markets work. DanTex Feb 2020 #69
Isn't that the premise of buy in? Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #27
Does it matter Dan? Sanders, his staffer and AOC all said within days it wasn't going to happen. krissey Feb 2020 #33
My taxes will be higher than my premium RandySF Feb 2020 #37
your premium? ibegurpard Feb 2020 #40
mine has no deductibles, my employer pays most of the premium. drray23 Feb 2020 #48
Nevada Culbuary Workers have not premium or deductible RandySF Feb 2020 #49
Well that's nice for you ibegurpard Feb 2020 #67
Exactly, and it's not even close. R B Garr Feb 2020 #41
MOST people's taxes will be WAY lower than their current premiums. And for your lower premiums, ancianita Feb 2020 #46
With a premium / administrative rate of 15% Turbineguy Feb 2020 #47
Thank you! ancianita Feb 2020 #51
People want to know they aren't losing the part of their pay health insurance takes up. brewens Feb 2020 #56
This is a big deal. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #60
That's fair ibegurpard Feb 2020 #68
You really expect people to treat these numbers you dreamed up as some sort of actual choice they ehrnst Feb 2020 #57
Actually, there will be a number of well-off people willing to pay more not to be in the same Hoyt Feb 2020 #59
Systemic change like that... eilen Feb 2020 #66
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