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In reply to the discussion: M4A: Is there anyone who would rather pay a higher premium versus a lower tax? [View all]Hoyt
(54,770 posts)59. Actually, there will be a number of well-off people willing to pay more not to be in the same
system most of us will have.
In fact, I'll bet 20% or more will opt for higher cost, concierge type care to go to select professional providers and hospitals. There are Medicare beneficiaries right now, who go to doctors who have dropped out of Medicare. These patients keep there Medicare coverage in case that get really sick (ie, expensively sick).
That's going to be another issue that will have to be dealt with in implementing a single payer system.
Please note, I am not for this -- because it will siphon off physicians, etc., who are perceived as higher quality -- but I bet it will be found unconstitutional to force people into a public system.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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M4A: Is there anyone who would rather pay a higher premium versus a lower tax? [View all]
DanTex
Feb 2020
OP
44 million single payer Americans say otherwise. Quality in any facility is as good as what's there
ancianita
Feb 2020
#9
MOST do not. Providers? You're talking about middlemen premium collectors who only give
ancianita
Feb 2020
#36
I think I remember reading 40% are on some form of government healthcare.
Hassin Bin Sober
Feb 2020
#32
Few people have a choice right now. And there will still be a choice for supplemental.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#13
This if false, I do have a choice right now to just go uncovered if I want to.
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#20
Yes, that is the one and only choice that is truly being taken away in these proposals. (n/t)
thesquanderer
Feb 2020
#38
Source for this $5K figure? Because the numbers don't seem to call for any M4A premium that high.
ancianita
Feb 2020
#2
Thanks. The cost differentials are big, but from my readings from PNHP, administrative savings are
ancianita
Feb 2020
#35
Warren has already said that eliminating the Big Fossil YEARLY $5 TRILLION SUBSIDY will help pay
ancianita
Feb 2020
#63
Let's assume "not Sanders" wins the presidency and the Rs keep the Senate.
Cuthbert Allgood
Feb 2020
#14
The court cases against Obamacare will be dropped, the Health Dept will reinforce it
CalFione
Feb 2020
#23
So you are saying that a Republican led Senate is going to pass a public option?
Cuthbert Allgood
Feb 2020
#26
It's not an either or situation. And as far as the amount of tax, no one knows how much it will be.
George II
Feb 2020
#4
Many hold a quasi-religious conviction that private enterprise must be supported, lauded, untethered
FiveGoodMen
Feb 2020
#6
Some hold a quasi-religious conviction that private enterprise must be destroyed.
George II
Feb 2020
#10
Well, Warren's main funding source is a tax on businesses. Fine with that, but she should be honest
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#17
Don't bet on it. Prior to Nov 2019, Warren was projecting cost of MFA at $3.5 Trillion. Now,
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#25
Yes, that is total program. Taxes will have to pay for that. So businesses will be hit with a tax.
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#34
Let me make it simple for you. Suppose a business doesn't provide health insurance, now.
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#43
Apparently so. Some people -- many ignorant -- don't trust a government plan. Yet, Sanders
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#16
That lack of trust comes from being bamboozled by corporate "healthcare" PR that muddles their
ancianita
Feb 2020
#42
No, the lack of trust comes from Warren and Sanders' saying, "They know better and their plan
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#45
THAT there is wrong. They say exactly what plan costs AND greater benefits to ALL Americans will
ancianita
Feb 2020
#50
Cite that quote. Show a source. That's your interpretation presented as fact.
ancianita
Feb 2020
#53
Christ, that is what "Medicare-for-All" means. The operative word is "All." It's SINGLE payer.
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#55
Oh, okay. But YOU use it as some weaponized threat with your "no other choice" implication.
ancianita
Feb 2020
#58
Yes, it does. Even common sense looks at private vs public cost shows that M4A tax is way lower
ancianita
Feb 2020
#44
But the employers do. Employees don't technically pay payroll taxes either, employers do.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#24
Does it matter Dan? Sanders, his staffer and AOC all said within days it wasn't going to happen.
krissey
Feb 2020
#33
MOST people's taxes will be WAY lower than their current premiums. And for your lower premiums,
ancianita
Feb 2020
#46
People want to know they aren't losing the part of their pay health insurance takes up.
brewens
Feb 2020
#56
You really expect people to treat these numbers you dreamed up as some sort of actual choice they
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#57