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honest.abe

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81. Yes. There is no way Bernie comes out of brokered convention the winner.

Reply to PubliusEnigma (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:18 PM

Feb 2020

It will most likely be Biden or whoever best represents the "moderate" wing of the party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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"Follow the rules" is not a rebuttal to "the person with the most votes/delegates should win". [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

That's not what he said four years ago when he was running behind. RandySF Feb 2020 #1

+1. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #5

Exactly! n.t. spicysista Feb 2020 #30

Getting 25 - 30% of the vote radical noodle Feb 2020 #2

It makes a difference how close Bernie is to a majority of delegates, first round. denem Feb 2020 #3

Agree completely Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #14

Yes x1000. MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #45

Beat Trump, then fix the rules. I'm tired of hearing about the 2016 primary. marble falls Feb 2020 #4

The rules don't need fixing. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #48

I agree, but the debate needs to wait until after we beat Trump. I wouldn't mind if Hillary ... marble falls Feb 2020 #57

I seriously doubt that Hillary would even consider it. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #58

I do, too. I think she was ill treated and she has a bad taste of what happened ... marble falls Feb 2020 #59

The rules are the rules...and Hillary would not be a good idea given she has issues in the very Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #69

As I suggested elsewhere, the ONLY way to really know the will of the people if no candidate has a highplainsdem Feb 2020 #6

Voter preferences... DanTex Feb 2020 #9

And there have been polls showing Biden crushing Sanders by as much as 29 points. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #12

No there haven't. DanTex Feb 2020 #15

Yes, there have, and I've posted about them here. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #17

August 2019 LOL. DanTex Feb 2020 #19

We're still a long way from the convention. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #24

Btw, here's my OP about their Dec. poll, Biden 26 points over Sanders. 32 points in October. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #34

However, Sweden has nearly twice the billionaires per capita than the United States ehrnst Feb 2020 #37

Wait..."Fiction?" The_Counsel Feb 2020 #39

What's false is the assumption that it means he'd only get 25% in a 2-person race. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #64

Where would he get the support Warren? I believe Warren is out after Carolina certainly after super Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #70

...Except No One Is Saying That. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #71

The implication of all the "75% chose someone else" posts is... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #72

LOL...There Is No "Implication." That Is Fact. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #73

Then what do you think is the purpose of people saying that? Garrett78 Feb 2020 #74

Restating the Numbers in Plain English. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #80

Yet they aren't saying that about any other candidate. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #82

They Don't Have to. The Scenario Still Applies. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #84

What.. "#bendtheknee"?! Excellent way to turn people Away! Cha Feb 2020 #63

There are at least two reasons that automatic delegates are included. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #55

If it's a brokered convention, Bernie is shit out of luck. Sorry. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #7

The problem isn't Bernie being SOL, it's the Dems if the party fractures. DanTex Feb 2020 #10

Bernie would destroy our Party (not his) for a chance to get his ass kicked by Trump PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #11

The party won't fracture unless Sanders and his supporters refuse to play by the rules and throw highplainsdem Feb 2020 #13

Calling it a "tantrum" or "blackmail" will certainly not help prevent a party fracture. DanTex Feb 2020 #16

Those are the most accurate terms for it. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #18

Umm, no they aren't. And if they are going to pull some brokered thing, I REALLY hope they DanTex Feb 2020 #22

I'm being direct because this is a message board. There are more civil ways to point out those highplainsdem Feb 2020 #36

Unfortunately, the media and even other candidates are also jumping on the false "Bernie Bro" DanTex Feb 2020 #38

The problem for Sanders is that the Bernie Bro narrative isn't false, and pretty much everyone who highplainsdem Feb 2020 #41

"Petty much everyone who isn't Sanders." DanTex Feb 2020 #42

You can keep pretending it isn't a problem as long as you like. The media and debate focus on it highplainsdem Feb 2020 #43

Oh, I know the media focus on it won't go away. DanTex Feb 2020 #44

Still using the old media canard, eh? It's a effective fallback to hide his failures. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #51

I'm not going to refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee if it turns out... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #21

Me either. I'm voting Blue no matter who. DanTex Feb 2020 #27

The will of the electorate is the person that is able to amass the majority of delegates... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #33

Most Dems would be willing to risk the "Wrath of the Berners" than the risk of a Sanders nomination. honest.abe Feb 2020 #83

Yes. There is no way Bernie comes out of brokered convention the winner. honest.abe Feb 2020 #81

Damn straight. Those were lazy ass answers. Alex4Martinez Feb 2020 #8

So, Bernie will blow up the Dem Party if he leads without a majority and doesn't get the nomination Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #20

Bernie's going to support the nominee whoever it is. He's been clear on that. DanTex Feb 2020 #23

He was also clear on releasing his full medical records. ehrnst Feb 2020 #25

Another upper cut by Elizabeth Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #28

Yeah, like he did in 2016 Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #26

He did more rallies for HRC than HRC did for Obama in 2008. DanTex Feb 2020 #29

I don't recall HRC reciting the number of pledged delegates she got when she endorsed Obama ehrnst Feb 2020 #32

.. Cha Feb 2020 #65

Clear as mud. lark Feb 2020 #35

He's clear on a lot of things he later refuses. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #52

Follow the rules is a perfectly good response to someone who is complaining about the ehrnst Feb 2020 #31

Actually the rules state Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #40

Then they should use rank choice voting not superdelegates dbolski Feb 2020 #46

Rank choice voting is not in the rules Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #49

So you would also support ending the caucus system during the primaries, yes?. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #66

They said "follow the process" and that's what they will do. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #47

It depends on how disliked the person with the most votes is with Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #50

Odd. Four years ago when he was behind, the story was completely opposite. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #53

Bernie and his supporters were OK with a brokered convention in 2016 showblue22 Feb 2020 #54

Where To Begin? IF---Bernie has 40% of the delegates at the convention and Atticus Feb 2020 #56

So nice to see you committing to Senator Sanders on DU. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #60

And 4 years ago, your candidate argued for the exact OPPOSITE position CalFione Feb 2020 #61

Sanders was going for thsoe very rules end of 2016, right? Can't change them as the wind blows. krissey Feb 2020 #62

True Beringia Feb 2020 #67

But Dan...if Sanders has a 27 or 30 % of the vote... and he is not leading in delegates as we Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #68

The rules are you need a majority of delegates. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #75

But if there's no majority, someone has to win. DanTex Feb 2020 #76

If the 25% person.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #78

Agreed RE: Ranked Choice Voting The_Counsel Feb 2020 #85

Sanders played himself here JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #77

The person with the most delegates AT THE END OF THE PROCESS is the winner... SidDithers Feb 2020 #79

...Except the Process Doesn't End Until Someone Has a Majority. The_Counsel Feb 2020 #86