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TryLogic

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127. That was then and this is now. I supported Bernie in 2016.

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:40 PM

Feb 2020

His idealism and extremely optimistic goals offered highly desirable objectives.

That was then and this is now. We now have an extremely serious national emergency with Trump, Barr, McConnell and the others who support Trump's obvious personal goal of joining the international club of dictators. The rule of law has been subverted for the benefit of Trump. Trump's primary role models seem rather obviously to be Hitler and Putin. He is supported among voters by a cadre of fools.

In the past, I have pushed the idea of voting for the person who would make the best president, the person who can get done the many many things that will need to be done. That's different from agenda. It's not free college for all, Medicare for all, or expected elect-ability.

Who will make the best president? Why do you think that?

Elizabeth Warren? Her broad structural change agenda will not happen. But, some important structural change may happen if enough Democrats are elected. Social and governmental structures, like contracts, depend upon the integrity of the humans who administer them. Can Warren do the job? Yes!

Can Klobuchar do the job? Yes. She has passed over 100 bills. Amy can get it done.
Can Biden get it done? I think so.
Can Bloomberg get it done? His history says yes.
Can Pete get it done? Probably.
Could numerous others no longer in the lime light get it done? Yes.
Can Tulsi get it done? No.
Can Bernie get it done? He has a strong, consistent, in-your-face agenda that sound great. But can he get it done? Serious question.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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What do people expect those of us who support Bernie's agenda to do? [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

The same thing Sanders supporters expect everyone else to do Renew Deal Feb 2020 #1

+++ still_one Feb 2020 #32

This. Right here. relayerbob Feb 2020 #66

Exactly! justie18 Feb 2020 #89

I'll support the absolute crap out of our nominee. ramen Feb 2020 #100

I wish Bernie has seen this coming and had rebranded his "socialist" cause randr Feb 2020 #2

+1 nt Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #3

It can't be rebranded. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #5

Support Elizabeth Warren. yardwork Feb 2020 #4

Exactly! This ain't rocket surgery. malchickiwick Feb 2020 #14

"Rocket Surgery" leftieNanner Feb 2020 #60

Thread winner for DU phrase of the day. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2020 #84

Exactly DBoon Feb 2020 #18

They have moved so far to the right find the cadidate with the best chance to win. rwheeler31 Feb 2020 #6

I Realize You Dislike It But We Already Have That Candidate (Receipts Attached) corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #8

And those polls can change at the drop of a pin. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #105

And a higher percentage don't want the other candidates. Lucky Luciano Feb 2020 #124

True, TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #126

The Same Polls Which Showed Biden As The Unquestioned Frontrunner For 9 Months? (n/t) corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #142

They should vote for Biden or Warren or someone that's not him. luxpara4 Feb 2020 #7

What better way to move toward those kinds of policies? Support Warren, whose proposals are closest highplainsdem Feb 2020 #9

THIS musette_sf Feb 2020 #88

I am glad you asked... Moderateguy Feb 2020 #10

Thank you for your answer. But consider this. DanTex Feb 2020 #20

Consider this... Moderateguy Feb 2020 #26

Your "untils" are classic GOP arguments against KPN Feb 2020 #38

Maybe.... but we cannot go from 0-100 overnight Moderateguy Feb 2020 #43

We can certainly go forward instead of reverse however. KPN Feb 2020 #58

But, we rarely even go from 0-1 in Bettie Feb 2020 #65

You could have movement if Moderateguy Feb 2020 #80

THIS. JudyM Feb 2020 #114

+1000 dbolski Feb 2020 #138

I disagree. I think that people actually do support the policies they say they support. DanTex Feb 2020 #62

The vast majority of Americans support "reasonable gun control"... reACTIONary Feb 2020 #123

I think that this is illusory: Saviolo Feb 2020 #107

Agree wholeheartedly. ancianita Feb 2020 #11

My request over and over Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #12

Easy response: TCJ70 Feb 2020 #19

How is that a response in the general election? Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #24

You aren't concerned about what a person would enact after they get elected? I don't think... TCJ70 Feb 2020 #29

You misunderstood Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #57

By all means, support bernie's agenda! beastie boy Feb 2020 #13

This exactly!! jmbar2 Feb 2020 #39

✨✨✨✨LOOK AT FACTS !!!!!✨✨✨✨ Sanders has had NO consistent swing state appeal !! NONE !! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #15

Actual polls seem to disagree with you. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #23

Consistent does not mean 1 weeks worth of polling and everyone is beating Trump in those areas uponit7771 Feb 2020 #34

Exactly. Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Those are the important states progressoid Feb 2020 #25

Yes, "currently" doesn't mean consistently. Sanders isn't above the MOE in any swing states he is uponit7771 Feb 2020 #36

Well, there's always a caveat isn't there. progressoid Feb 2020 #48

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #79

Bernie should run as a Socialist instead of pretending to be a Democrat. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #16

This. Raftergirl Feb 2020 #22

Nobody wins if we split the vote with a 3d party. imo saidsimplesimon Feb 2020 #44

There is no chance of Bernie running 3rd Party. Even he knows that would be a dead end. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #59

Outside of my pay grade to question saidsimplesimon Feb 2020 #64

Saying he despises our party is a stretch. ramen Feb 2020 #101

Have you not heard him rail against the "Democratic Establishment"? PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #111

Ah, interesting, so we're at the bit where you're the real Democrat and I am a false one. ramen Feb 2020 #112

It is Bernie Sanders who is not a Democrat. He is a Socialist. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #113

Vote for Warren. So you have your priorities, but also a chance to beat Trump CalFione Feb 2020 #17

If you want democratic socialism in the US, build it from the ground up DBoon Feb 2020 #21

FDR? rwsanders Feb 2020 #28

Name a socialist policy FDR actually ran on in 1932. brooklynite Feb 2020 #40

I'd have to research that, but I do know he won 3 elections after that rwsanders Feb 2020 #46

Yes, he was smart enough to get elected FIRST... brooklynite Feb 2020 #50

If Bernie sticks to the issues, people will realize that labels don't matter. rwsanders Feb 2020 #52

If labels don't matter, why does he keep using them? brooklynite Feb 2020 #53

I don't think it is a label as much as a framework for discussion. rwsanders Feb 2020 #85

FDR was quite vehemently anti-socialism TwilightZone Feb 2020 #75

He knew labels mattered. rwsanders Feb 2020 #83

Still not socialism. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #94

I'm not redefining, and you are just wanting to argue. rwsanders Feb 2020 #136

I think that is what separates us from the pack, issues not a cult of personality. rwsanders Feb 2020 #27

So many suggestions. None for here. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #30

Imagine the following two years under total Republican rule RandySF Feb 2020 #31

I would anticipate that everyone may need to compromise on the platform. 33taw Feb 2020 #33

I appreciate your candor and respect the sentiment. defacto7 Feb 2020 #35

I expect them to be realistic brooklynite Feb 2020 #37

Most Americans support his policies. How is it not realistic to want DanTex Feb 2020 #41

Most Americans don't support his policies enough to vote for him... brooklynite Feb 2020 #47

Most Americans want someone with the skills to actually accomplish those ehrnst Feb 2020 #77

Bernie is advocating the most progressive agenda, with Warren a close second. DanTex Feb 2020 #90

That's not what we're debating... straw man. ehrnst Feb 2020 #99

Those policies are what I care about, so it's not a straw man. DanTex Feb 2020 #106

Yes, straw man, because that's not what I said... ehrnst Feb 2020 #115

To clarify again "what do you expect people like me to do" is talking about the primary, not the GE. DanTex Feb 2020 #118

Yes, that's what I was talking about... ehrnst Feb 2020 #121

I gave you plenty of examples of bill's he's voted for, and there are plenty more. DanTex Feb 2020 #122

Three bills is "plenty?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #131

Screw policy. This election is about one thing - defeating Republicans. tinrobot Feb 2020 #108

Bernie cannot be elected. He will be trounced, as they have been prepping for him since 2016. Poeraria Feb 2020 #42

You would vote Warren instead of saying Sanders or no one. I had an "anarchist" tell me krissey Feb 2020 #45

use a little common sense.... quickesst Feb 2020 #49

Vote your conscience and whoever wins you support. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #51

Any candidate's agenda is a DISTANT SECOND in priority to removing Trump from office. CalFione Feb 2020 #54

Lots of good Democrats. Try Biden katmondoo Feb 2020 #55

Here's the problem gay texan Feb 2020 #56

Shut up and support the billionaire buying the election. Because Trump. The Mouth Feb 2020 #61

Pick a candidate that can win. honest.abe Feb 2020 #63

Everybody thinks their candidate can win. polichick Feb 2020 #67

Ok.. they need to pick the candidate that has the best chance of winning. honest.abe Feb 2020 #70

Joe is a good guy, but been there, done that - don't think he'd... polichick Feb 2020 #73

Biden will motivate where it matters. The key battleground states... PA, FL, VA, etc. honest.abe Feb 2020 #78

I'm not sure either of them is our best bet - Warren might be the bridge. polichick Feb 2020 #81

I can jump on the Warren bandwagon if things start going her way. honest.abe Feb 2020 #86

Her polling has to come way up. JudyM Feb 2020 #117

Yeah, like it was earlier. polichick Feb 2020 #130

K & R Well said! mountain grammy Feb 2020 #68

You can support an agenda and also acknowledge there can be different ways or tactics ehrnst Feb 2020 #69

And what if we believe Sanders is actually electable? JudyM Feb 2020 #128

I never said don't vote for him in the primary. ehrnst Feb 2020 #133

Wouldn't it make sense to vote in the primary for whoever you think is most electable? JudyM Feb 2020 #134

Yes, I also think that Sanders isn't electable, for the same reasons ehrnst Feb 2020 #135

DON'T ELECT TRUMP. Losers don't make policy. EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #71

it IS a fringe agenda EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #72

What I hope for, and what I anticipate actually happening are two different things entirely. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #74

Work to get the policies through relayerbob Feb 2020 #76

Vote Blue 2020. Vote The Democrat 2020. Period. That's what. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #82

Bubble. He is popular with a percentage. M4A is popular with some percentage. boston bean Feb 2020 #87

It is not just about Presidential candidate's agenda. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #91

How is it that Bernie's policies poll so well with the public? Not just Dems. DanTex Feb 2020 #92

What I am telling you is that the problem is not with what Bernie wants. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #97

For many of us, it's not about the agenda. cab67 Feb 2020 #93

Simple - do what Republicans do. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2020 #95

Yes. Republicans run entertainers and/or charismatic personalities. TryLogic Feb 2020 #119

Frankly I think you all should just bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #96

That first part of your answer is on the nose. ramen Feb 2020 #102

Well there you go, a good start bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #103

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #98

Bernie is not a Democrat. He will be a Disaster if Nominated bitterross Feb 2020 #104

Speaking for myself only, I expect y'all to all vote for Bernie. dawg Feb 2020 #109

Support whom you want Tweedy Feb 2020 #110

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #116

We haven't had a nominee oppose Reaganomics since Mondale. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #120

This is so accurate. JudyM Feb 2020 #132

Vote your conscience! mdelaguna Feb 2020 #125

That was then and this is now. I supported Bernie in 2016. TryLogic Feb 2020 #127

I know it is impossible but BEHAVE!!!!!!! whistler162 Feb 2020 #129

(1) Stop trashing the Democratic Party. (2) Vociferously repudiate misogynists* who CLAIM to be ... Hekate Feb 2020 #137

To answer the question in the OP ... Martin Eden Feb 2020 #139

This is not a policy year...this is a desperate attempt to stop Trump who not only could win but Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #140

I don't even understand this question kcr Feb 2020 #141