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tymorial

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12. As a concept: free college its fine. Practically speaking, what does that actually mean?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:52 PM
Apr 2019

Does free college degree mean all programs or only those that generate sufficient revenue for the institution? Will state universities slash departments with fewer matriculating students or divert funding for improvements to those departments? For many students who wish to study traditional liberal and performing art subjects, state school is their only avenue due to cost. I've known some absolutely amazing and talented individuals who came from poor backgrounds and their only opportunity was a state college. Some were talented enough to secure acceptance at larger private institutions (often with some scholarship) but that was only after proving their worth and value. Many others simply just wanted to study music, art, theatre, or literature etc accepting that they would never find positions within those fields post grad. Some became teachers but others (like myself) went in different directions. We had no choice.

This was 20 years ago and almost across the country many states have reduced their funding even more. All of this has occurred while tuition rises. Many facilities receive more funding from the federal government than they do their own state. What is common today however is students are paying more for their education than is contributed by the state. In truth one of the reasons why state schools should be less expensive is because local taxes subsidize the cost. This is no longer the case in many areas around the country.

So if we make education free, what does that mean? I know more than a few people who rage at college kids studying "useless degrees." This is an argument that is not political, I've heard it from both sides. Back when I was a trauma nurse I had a coworker who was a "lever puller" as we called it back then. He said he would pay for his kids to go to college but only if they studied something that guaranteed him a job. I reminded him that I had a music degree first and it was a few years before I decided to go back to school. It didn't shake him. It doesn't matter that I would never trade those years for anything. They may not have contributed to society or to the loans that I had to take out but they were a big part of my life. Some of my favorite times in my life.

I fear for a model where private schools are the only locations where one can study these subjects and as such studying art, music, theatre and literature would be afforded to only those with privilege and wealth sufficient to afford those subjects. Quite frankly that's already happening in some places already.

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So much wrong with this: Merlot Apr 2019 #1
He does say college costs should be lower, so you are in agreement there. marylandblue Apr 2019 #7
So much wrong with the TITLE. We don't HAVE to agree on Hortensis Apr 2019 #30
I thought that's why we had campaigns and primaries. We OregonBlue Apr 2019 #2
Community college should be made easily accessible. MH1 Apr 2019 #3
Princeton uses it's large endowment to foot tuition for kids from Blue_true Apr 2019 #43
Kind of a dumb argument jberryhill Apr 2019 #4
Yes, he does realize that, but he's asking if that's the best use of our money. marylandblue Apr 2019 #8
That's still ridiculously simplistic jberryhill Apr 2019 #21
Yours is a long but simplistic response to an intentionally short post. marylandblue Apr 2019 #25
I like your reasoning on this. Blue_true Apr 2019 #45
For as smart as Mayor Pete is... Politicub Apr 2019 #37
One thing that can be done with tuition debt is Blue_true Apr 2019 #46
That's what I thought. LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #41
Every economically-based argument in the world always has two sides ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #5
The concept of free college is great and hard to object to, but The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6
One solution is to have shorter courses, maybe 6 or 10 weeks. greymattermom Apr 2019 #27
But they'd still have to take enough cumulative classes to have learned something The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #29
Let's focus on the dire priority of healthcare first. dubyadiprecession Apr 2019 #9
Back when I went to college (1960s), there was no tuition at the state colleges MineralMan Apr 2019 #10
So in summary it costs a lot so only people Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #11
Not everyone is cut out for college, but you can't get a well-paying job without it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #14
But oddly enough filthy rich bastards Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #17
No, we shouldn't allow people to commit felonious fraud, and marylandblue Apr 2019 #35
How about we let them figure that out without Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #36
I don't disagree. But any solution has social costs as well as benefits. marylandblue Apr 2019 #38
As a concept: free college its fine. Practically speaking, what does that actually mean? tymorial Apr 2019 #12
Would high school be okay at 11 grades? What about 13? jberryhill Apr 2019 #24
That makes no sense what so ever. Nt tymorial Apr 2019 #31
What makes it okay to fund education for 12 years, but not 16? jberryhill Apr 2019 #33
Oh, I understand now. Rather than debate my argument you resort to strawman tymorial Apr 2019 #34
This is the 21st century. dogman Apr 2019 #13
Even in the 21st century, we can't all work in STEM or management. marylandblue Apr 2019 #16
And in today's labor market they need training. dogman Apr 2019 #19
I agree. We need more of that. marylandblue Apr 2019 #20
That's why Bernie wants to make Unionization easier. dogman Apr 2019 #23
Not everyone is cut out for kindergarten Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #18
Nope, they want you to be able to tie your shoes first. dogman Apr 2019 #22
Seriously? jberryhill Apr 2019 #26
My grandsons had homework in kindergarten. greymattermom Apr 2019 #28
It should be free or significantly subsidized for those whose families cannot afford it Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #15
I agree with subsidizing. People should pay something because it is a thing of value. If you UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #40
Well, I worked at a major corporation and we (in my area) hired IT professionals out of ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2019 #32
Missing the education angle jaceaf Apr 2019 #39
It doesn't make you rich, it does get you in the door. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #48
I see his point. Blue_true Apr 2019 #42
A problem easily resolved by making community college free ecstatic Apr 2019 #44
He is looking at the bigger picture. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #47
Free college tuition at public colleges means Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #49
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