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marylandblue

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25. Yours is a long but simplistic response to an intentionally short post.

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:33 PM

Apr 2019

The whole issue is net benefits. The actual cost-benefit ratio of college is going down as costs go up faster than the income gains from going to college. This is true whether the government pays for it or you pay. Meanwhile, as good paying blue collar jobs disappear, the disadvantage of not going to college increases. So we are paying more and more for college education to provide more education to more people while the social benefit of education is decreasing.

And yes, the 18 year old cut off is arbitrary. But that doesn't mean it should automatically go up. Maybe we end at 16 and send everybody to national service for two years? Or offer two of trade school for those not going to college? I'M NOT advocating for these, they are just ideas that could work for some people better than what we have now.

Free college is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. We really need a range of solutions and a detailed discussion that is difficult to do by internet post or sound bite.

So lets not assume somebody is being "simplistic" just because they didn't write a treatise on their entire thought process in five minutes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Pete Buttigieg argues against free college. This is why progressives can't agree about subsidizing t [View all] Eugene Apr 2019 OP

So much wrong with this: Merlot Apr 2019 #1

He does say college costs should be lower, so you are in agreement there. marylandblue Apr 2019 #7

So much wrong with the TITLE. We don't HAVE to agree on Hortensis Apr 2019 #30

I thought that's why we had campaigns and primaries. We OregonBlue Apr 2019 #2

Community college should be made easily accessible. MH1 Apr 2019 #3

Princeton uses it's large endowment to foot tuition for kids from Blue_true Apr 2019 #43

Kind of a dumb argument jberryhill Apr 2019 #4

Yes, he does realize that, but he's asking if that's the best use of our money. marylandblue Apr 2019 #8

That's still ridiculously simplistic jberryhill Apr 2019 #21

Yours is a long but simplistic response to an intentionally short post. marylandblue Apr 2019 #25

I like your reasoning on this. Blue_true Apr 2019 #45

For as smart as Mayor Pete is... Politicub Apr 2019 #37

One thing that can be done with tuition debt is Blue_true Apr 2019 #46

That's what I thought. LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #41

Every economically-based argument in the world always has two sides ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #5

The concept of free college is great and hard to object to, but The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6

One solution is to have shorter courses, maybe 6 or 10 weeks. greymattermom Apr 2019 #27

But they'd still have to take enough cumulative classes to have learned something The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #29

Let's focus on the dire priority of healthcare first. dubyadiprecession Apr 2019 #9

Back when I went to college (1960s), there was no tuition at the state colleges MineralMan Apr 2019 #10

So in summary it costs a lot so only people Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #11

Not everyone is cut out for college, but you can't get a well-paying job without it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #14

But oddly enough filthy rich bastards Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #17

No, we shouldn't allow people to commit felonious fraud, and marylandblue Apr 2019 #35

How about we let them figure that out without Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #36

I don't disagree. But any solution has social costs as well as benefits. marylandblue Apr 2019 #38

As a concept: free college its fine. Practically speaking, what does that actually mean? tymorial Apr 2019 #12

Would high school be okay at 11 grades? What about 13? jberryhill Apr 2019 #24

That makes no sense what so ever. Nt tymorial Apr 2019 #31

What makes it okay to fund education for 12 years, but not 16? jberryhill Apr 2019 #33

Oh, I understand now. Rather than debate my argument you resort to strawman tymorial Apr 2019 #34

This is the 21st century. dogman Apr 2019 #13

Even in the 21st century, we can't all work in STEM or management. marylandblue Apr 2019 #16

And in today's labor market they need training. dogman Apr 2019 #19

I agree. We need more of that. marylandblue Apr 2019 #20

That's why Bernie wants to make Unionization easier. dogman Apr 2019 #23

Not everyone is cut out for kindergarten Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #18

Nope, they want you to be able to tie your shoes first. dogman Apr 2019 #22

Seriously? jberryhill Apr 2019 #26

My grandsons had homework in kindergarten. greymattermom Apr 2019 #28

It should be free or significantly subsidized for those whose families cannot afford it Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #15

I agree with subsidizing. People should pay something because it is a thing of value. If you UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #40

Well, I worked at a major corporation and we (in my area) hired IT professionals out of ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2019 #32

Missing the education angle jaceaf Apr 2019 #39

It doesn't make you rich, it does get you in the door. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #48

I see his point. Blue_true Apr 2019 #42

A problem easily resolved by making community college free ecstatic Apr 2019 #44

He is looking at the bigger picture. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #47

Free college tuition at public colleges means Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #49