Democratic Primaries

IronLionZion

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18. Trump has been burning down the wrong things

Reply to Renew Deal (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:12 PM

Feb 2020

and a lot of innocent normal people are being burned in the process.

Bernie is for burning down villains like Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Trump and Bernie are part of the "Burn It Down" coalition [View all] Renew Deal Feb 2020 OP

Hear! Hear! k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #1

Yep. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #2

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You repeat Bernie word for word bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #6

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There's nothing wrong with Bernie's ideas. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #44

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Bingo! PatSeg Feb 2020 #92

Our grandparents did right, Marg. The system we inherited Hortensis Feb 2020 #9

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No, we do not. M4A is NOT socialized medicine. Hortensis Feb 2020 #31

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If the end goal is the same, isn't the one that's most Hortensis Feb 2020 #62

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ACA is UHC as well. It's been set back. ehrnst Feb 2020 #64

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It intention was to get complete, universal health care coverage. ehrnst Feb 2020 #71

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No they don't. They call them "public." And FDR said the New Deal was NOT socialism ehrnst Feb 2020 #53

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Policies that Democrats have tried and failed to implement since 1971... ehrnst Feb 2020 #58

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Going to try for a redirect of the topic again. ehrnst Feb 2020 #72

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Bernie was once a marxist socialist. You should really read about him... ehrnst Feb 2020 #54

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It's not up to you if the word Socialism gets used, because it will be. ehrnst Feb 2020 #60

Who were Bernie Sanders counterparts at the time? KPN Feb 2020 #28

FDR was the epitomy of "establishment Democrat." Hortensis Feb 2020 #56

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Extremist, Repub, AND Russian propaganda. Please Hortensis Feb 2020 #87

Thanks for that very complete and detailed response. KPN Feb 2020 #90

The GOP dominated national government most of Hortensis Feb 2020 #91

Thank you, Hortensis True Blue American Feb 2020 #48

You don't have to take down the foundation you are standing on in order to build good stuff. beastie boy Feb 2020 #20

If you mean the U.S. Constitution, I'll remind you it's got a mile wide Enforcement crack in it. ancianita Feb 2020 #23

Yes, that's exactly what I mean, and the institutions that are built on it. beastie boy Feb 2020 #32

It's being tried, even with the Constitution. BECAUSE of that enforcement crack. ancianita Feb 2020 #35

There is a difference between unenforced law and unenforceable law. beastie boy Feb 2020 #36

So where is the change of enforced law? I don't see it. Waiting 8 months doesn't work. ancianita Feb 2020 #40

Vote in the judges who will enforce it. Vote for candidates who will appoint judges to enfioce it. beastie boy Feb 2020 #41

Again. Eight months away. Not guaranteed. Deteriorated enforcement for that long deteriorates ancianita Feb 2020 #42

Eight months is nothing compared to forever. beastie boy Feb 2020 #43

Eight months of ignored, followed by no guarantee of a free/fair election will likely lead to never. ancianita Feb 2020 #46

Ok, if you feel abolishing rule of law will get you anywhere, prepare to be bitterly disappointed, beastie boy Feb 2020 #50

IF is the key word. "Abolishing rule of law" is the key issue. "Should" is your interpretation ancianita Feb 2020 #61

First you repair True Blue American Feb 2020 #49

My point exactly. You don't destroy the foundation, you repair it. beastie boy Feb 2020 #52

Anyone who owns a house True Blue American Feb 2020 #82

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Get a super majority in the senate and all those things are possible HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #84

Dictatorship vs. Democracy just like WWII bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #4

A fine statement of American exceptionalism and power politics. David__77 Feb 2020 #5

Bernie is a reaction and escalation of the American left. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #7

Yup. Both need the current system of majority sovereignty gone. Hortensis Feb 2020 #8

They are both Populists BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #10

Then why are you still listed as undecided? flying_wahini Feb 2020 #11

I think the "burn it down" idea comes from the GOP war against government. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #12

It's also a philosophy shared by "Our Revolution" and "Justice Democrats" NurseJackie Feb 2020 #24

No argument from me. It's both ends against the middle. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #27

It does. ancianita Feb 2020 #45

Is that what was meant by "feel the bern"? William769 Feb 2020 #13

Exactly nycbos Feb 2020 #14

The extremes of the right & left seem to have much in common. empedocles Feb 2020 #15

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Ummmmm The Onion? ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #38

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Hmm. ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #80

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Nice touch with the Onion. Welcome. [I like Eleanor also]. empedocles Feb 2020 #39

"Extremists at the Center" Did you find that talking point in The Onion too? ehrnst Feb 2020 #65

Yes they do and as I've matured I find I like extremes of any kind less and less HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #85

Alfred was right Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #16

no krakfiend Feb 2020 #17

A more objective framing of what Bernie has himself said. ancianita Feb 2020 #47

Trump has been burning down the wrong things IronLionZion Feb 2020 #18

Good post.. i agree we need to choose leaders who will build and correct what we have. The burn it c-rational Feb 2020 #19

Does realization matter? ancianita Feb 2020 #22

The Struggle is real Roy Rolling Feb 2020 #25

Your equating Bernie with the cat grabber is kind of far fetched. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #29

I do not want a leader I want a representative. Trump is a leader Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #30

Hell Yes! Both of them suck. bitterross Feb 2020 #34

Oh please, Bernie is not 'Burn it down', Bernie is Captain Zero Feb 2020 #37

As much as I've liked Bernie over the years, I wish he hadn't run. Vinca Feb 2020 #51

I think bdamomma Feb 2020 #66

I totally agree. If Bernie's the nominee I'll walk over hot coals to vote for him. Vinca Feb 2020 #88

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I'm confused. You seemed to make the case for Bernie and then the case against him. Vinca Feb 2020 #89

It's Okay to Compare Bernie to Trump wellst0nev0ter Feb 2020 #67

45's voters blame minorities for their problems. Bernie's voters blame the 1% and corporations. LonePirate Feb 2020 #77

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The only people who want to burn it down are those who know they'll survive the fire gollygee Feb 2020 #83