Trump and Bernie are part of the "Burn It Down" coalition

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56. FDR was the epitomy of "establishment Democrat."

Elite to the max also. Warren always makes me think of Frances Perkins, FDR's establishment iconoclaust who was behind so many labor advances, including unemployment insurance and Social Security.

Someone described Warren as radical in defense of tradition. I think that describes her as well as anything. She values what we inherited, as FDR and Frances Perkins did in their day. They used huge problems that required huge solutions to make great advances WITHIN our existing liberal democratic ideology. She wants to do the same and believes in working with congress.

Sanders is SO different. He's outside the high-achieving liberal progressive establishment of Warren and FDR, both of whom waged an existential battle AGAINST the very dangerous socialist and fascist movements that voters in many nations so foolishly put their faith in and suffered dreadfully from as a result.

Regular liberal progressives won. And the New Dealers' ideology is proven by the fact that NONE of the New Deal programs are even slightly socialist. Our only socialized system, the VA, goes back 150 years, and it came about as an outgrowth of the "socialized" military structure.

When Sanders says he opposes the establishment he's telling the truth; dissidence is his lifelong pattern. When he conflates the establishment achievements of FDR with the socialist extremists who opposed them then and those of today, he's lying. When he claims destroying the New Deal legacy and replacing it with socialism is a continuation of New Deal ideals and goals, he's lying.

When he claims that the representatives WE all send from around the nation to congress to represent US are establishment enemies he'll have to smash through in order to achieve the great things Marg wants, he's lying. They are an obstacle to his really stupid lifelong dream of socialist revolution in the midst of plenty, and that's his problem with the people we choose to represent our interests.

That none of the people who want to put their lives in Sanders' hands care that he's lying and that few have any idea what he intends should make your hair stand on end. This nation can still fall, and Putin is doing his best to see that we do by throwing us into chaos. I believe both Trump and Sanders would serve his purpose as president.

Against, what we inherited is overall an excellent structure within which our nation has achieved great advances, and when they stall it's because people do foolish things like, knowing that Putin's backing both, vote Republican or Sanders against Democrats and thus against a strong, wealthy, liberal progressive nation and containment of Russian imperialism.