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ehrnst

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57. I said nothing about the speech being a "good thing" or "bad thing." I pointed out that
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:45 PM
Apr 2019
37. I was fascinated by his appearance at Liberty.He actually broke through to some kids on climate esp

I viewed Bernie at Liberty University as Democratic missionary work for those brainwashed kids. I found it moving and
memorable.


I asked you about how you knew that he "broke through" to some kids, because that wasn't stated as a "perception" but as a quantifiable fact, so I assumed you had some data, such as a poll or survey.

You then spoke in very vague terms, based on an assumption that that the way they behaved indicated that they had somehow been changed by the speech. I pointed out that they couldn't leave, as it's a requirement to go to this convocation and stay the whole time. You didn't seem to know that, and perhaps assumed that they chose to attend and stay when they didn't have to. They are also not allowed to be "disruptive" so the fact that there was no protest or walkout is because they would have been disciplined for violating conduct standards, and the requirement to go to this event, not because they were all previously rabid anti-democrats in a bubble that were curious about Bernie and were won over enough to stay and say nice things about him to the press.

but for a first mission into such a closed, blindly anti Democrats, info desert as LU, Bernie did I thought a good job with these young people.


As the article I shared pointed out there is an organized group of liberal leaning students at LU, as I relayed to you with the article where student interviews were in writing. You had no idea that was the case. The perception of the interviewer and the students was that the students who were in the newly formed Democrats group felt validated by Bernie speaking there. That's not converted by a missionary. It's a lovely thing to imagine, but it's just not supported by the facts, as you now know them.

You seem very upset that I pointed out that your assumptions were not based in an accurate understanding of what was going on at the convocation, the student body, or what the interviews with students said about them changing their view on climate change.

Your statements of fact about the "impact" on students were not based in fact, but were feelings. You wanted to believe that Bernie was the catalyst for major change with them, and you presented it as evidence that Bernie has this effect that with conservatives, so his going on FoxNews would also have that effect. I pointed out the gaps in your understanding of the situation and their responses.

You're very disappointed learning that the situation and the outcome really wasn't what you thought it was, and that's understandable. I'm just the messenger, so I shouldn't be the one you're mad at. But I guess you need someone to be mad at.

That's all I'm saying.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Fox News Democratic Town halls [View all] rogue emissary Apr 2019 OP
Bernie, WTF? Beakybird Apr 2019 #1
Why not? Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #3
Ask some of the folks on DU who just last month flame broiled Donna Brazile ehrnst Apr 2019 #30
Apples and Rutabagas Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #36
So you think if someone is a regular contributor on FoxNews, then that's suspect. ehrnst Apr 2019 #47
Don't really care, Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #50
So you've changed your mind from Wednesday when you said this? ehrnst Apr 2019 #51
The alternative is TheFarseer Apr 2019 #15
Well, a few years ago he held what was later billed as a "rally" at Liberty University! George II Apr 2019 #35
I was fascinated by his appearance at Liberty.He actually broke through to some kids on climate esp stuffmatters Apr 2019 #37
Where did you hear about LU students changing their minds on climate change? ehrnst Apr 2019 #49
I watched the speech and the MSM interviews with some of the students afterward. stuffmatters Apr 2019 #54
Of course you didn't see that anyone walk out. They were required to attend. ehrnst Apr 2019 #55
Wow. I stated my perceptions, that's all. I think Bernie did a good thing by going, you don't. stuffmatters Apr 2019 #56
I said nothing about the speech being a "good thing" or "bad thing." I pointed out that ehrnst Apr 2019 #57
Mayor Pete has already been interviewed by Fox newscasters. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2019 #2
Do you also think the candidates rogue emissary Apr 2019 #6
I don't know enough about them to have an opinion on that. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2019 #10
Fair enough. rogue emissary Apr 2019 #13
Chris Wallace was the interviewer Celerity Apr 2019 #18
That's right! I'm terrible with names. Thanks, my dear Celerity! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2019 #20
fox is not a legitimate news source . stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #4
Every single corporate media conglomerate is a propaganda outlet, FOX just happens to be the worst. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #5
I think you have to talk to them RussBLib Apr 2019 #7
Supporting Fox news gives tjem legitimacy BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #8
Few votes to be found zipplewrath Apr 2019 #26
WTH are democratic candidates only going to address workinclasszero Apr 2019 #9
If Kamala Harris went on FoxNews, there would be people yelling that "proves she's ehrnst Apr 2019 #16
So it's blue states only I guess workinclasszero Apr 2019 #21
So you've changed your mind about red state "outreach" since last month? ehrnst Apr 2019 #22
You rock! NurseJackie Apr 2019 #24
... ehrnst Apr 2019 #31
I await the response mcar Apr 2019 #38
Steve Lesser was ripped to shreds for being a guest. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #39
For any Democrat to go on Faux News BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #25
Democratic voters in red states do not watch Fox News Gothmog Apr 2019 #33
You are not going to change brainwashed cult members minds kimbutgar Apr 2019 #11
Exactly this nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #27
If we can reach 3-4% of them that wins us the election. nycbos Apr 2019 #12
I believe t-Rump won because of free media. dogman Apr 2019 #14
Jeff Weaver is a regular on FoxNews. No surprise. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #17
The first two choices overlap quite a bit bernie59 Apr 2019 #19
Here is my issue with our candidates going on Fox News..they are going to use it against them Peacetrain Apr 2019 #23
I seriously doubt we would be having this conversation if it was anyone other than Bernie. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #28
Certainly not Donna Brazile as we saw with the excoriation of her last month ehrnst Apr 2019 #29
Working for Fox, and participating in a forum on Fox are 2 different things. I don' t have much vsrazdem Apr 2019 #32
If she stays true and is able to punch, jab and make good points I say bravo and we need UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #42
Well it didn't work so well when MSNBC and CNN tried to hire Fox personnel. They didn't last long. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #44
Well no...it often doesn't translate the other way because their pundits are complete UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #45
How about someone who's a regular on Fox News? ehrnst Apr 2019 #46
Please UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #43
Him going on Fox is as bad, if not worse, than him holding a quasi-rally at Liberty University. George II Apr 2019 #34
howard shultz was on tonight samnsara Apr 2019 #40
Yes shine some sunlight ova there with Dem town halls. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #41
You're funny.. Choice #4.. Cha Apr 2019 #48
JMO, but those of you criticizing Bernie, watoos Apr 2019 #52
Not a problem according to the DNC Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #53
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