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KPN

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90. Thanks for that very complete and detailed response.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:33 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)

I do prefer and hope that Warren gets a sufficient bump from her debate performance to challenge Sanders for sure. Having said that, my sense is the legacy you value is one that is now 45 years in the past regarding economic issues. There is such a thing as “establishment” and I agree that FDR was establishment. He also recognized, as you say, and used huge problems to advance huge solutions within the existing system. Warren is the only candidate I have seen doing that effectively among our candidates — aside from Sanders. In my view, the legacy has been extinguished. It’s of the past. If we ever hope to return to that legacy, we need huge change. I’m not convinced that our other candidates would work sufficiently toward achieving that.

At any rate, I appreciate your response and well informed views.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Hear! Hear! k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #1
Yep. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #2
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You repeat Bernie word for word bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #6
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There's nothing wrong with Bernie's ideas. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #44
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Bingo! PatSeg Feb 2020 #92
Our grandparents did right, Marg. The system we inherited Hortensis Feb 2020 #9
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No, we do not. M4A is NOT socialized medicine. Hortensis Feb 2020 #31
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If the end goal is the same, isn't the one that's most Hortensis Feb 2020 #62
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ACA is UHC as well. It's been set back. ehrnst Feb 2020 #64
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It intention was to get complete, universal health care coverage. ehrnst Feb 2020 #71
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No they don't. They call them "public." And FDR said the New Deal was NOT socialism ehrnst Feb 2020 #53
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Policies that Democrats have tried and failed to implement since 1971... ehrnst Feb 2020 #58
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Going to try for a redirect of the topic again. ehrnst Feb 2020 #72
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Bernie was once a marxist socialist. You should really read about him... ehrnst Feb 2020 #54
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It's not up to you if the word Socialism gets used, because it will be. ehrnst Feb 2020 #60
Who were Bernie Sanders counterparts at the time? KPN Feb 2020 #28
FDR was the epitomy of "establishment Democrat." Hortensis Feb 2020 #56
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Extremist, Repub, AND Russian propaganda. Please Hortensis Feb 2020 #87
Thanks for that very complete and detailed response. KPN Feb 2020 #90
The GOP dominated national government most of Hortensis Feb 2020 #91
Thank you, Hortensis True Blue American Feb 2020 #48
You don't have to take down the foundation you are standing on in order to build good stuff. beastie boy Feb 2020 #20
If you mean the U.S. Constitution, I'll remind you it's got a mile wide Enforcement crack in it. ancianita Feb 2020 #23
Yes, that's exactly what I mean, and the institutions that are built on it. beastie boy Feb 2020 #32
It's being tried, even with the Constitution. BECAUSE of that enforcement crack. ancianita Feb 2020 #35
There is a difference between unenforced law and unenforceable law. beastie boy Feb 2020 #36
So where is the change of enforced law? I don't see it. Waiting 8 months doesn't work. ancianita Feb 2020 #40
Vote in the judges who will enforce it. Vote for candidates who will appoint judges to enfioce it. beastie boy Feb 2020 #41
Again. Eight months away. Not guaranteed. Deteriorated enforcement for that long deteriorates ancianita Feb 2020 #42
Eight months is nothing compared to forever. beastie boy Feb 2020 #43
Eight months of ignored, followed by no guarantee of a free/fair election will likely lead to never. ancianita Feb 2020 #46
Ok, if you feel abolishing rule of law will get you anywhere, prepare to be bitterly disappointed, beastie boy Feb 2020 #50
IF is the key word. "Abolishing rule of law" is the key issue. "Should" is your interpretation ancianita Feb 2020 #61
First you repair True Blue American Feb 2020 #49
My point exactly. You don't destroy the foundation, you repair it. beastie boy Feb 2020 #52
Anyone who owns a house True Blue American Feb 2020 #82
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Get a super majority in the senate and all those things are possible HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #84
Dictatorship vs. Democracy just like WWII bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #4
A fine statement of American exceptionalism and power politics. David__77 Feb 2020 #5
Bernie is a reaction and escalation of the American left. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #7
Yup. Both need the current system of majority sovereignty gone. Hortensis Feb 2020 #8
They are both Populists BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #10
Then why are you still listed as undecided? flying_wahini Feb 2020 #11
I think the "burn it down" idea comes from the GOP war against government. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #12
It's also a philosophy shared by "Our Revolution" and "Justice Democrats" NurseJackie Feb 2020 #24
No argument from me. It's both ends against the middle. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #27
It does. ancianita Feb 2020 #45
Is that what was meant by "feel the bern"? William769 Feb 2020 #13
Exactly nycbos Feb 2020 #14
The extremes of the right & left seem to have much in common. empedocles Feb 2020 #15
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Ummmmm The Onion? ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #38
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Hmm. ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #80
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Nice touch with the Onion. Welcome. [I like Eleanor also]. empedocles Feb 2020 #39
"Extremists at the Center" Did you find that talking point in The Onion too? ehrnst Feb 2020 #65
Yes they do and as I've matured I find I like extremes of any kind less and less HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #85
Alfred was right Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #16
no krakfiend Feb 2020 #17
A more objective framing of what Bernie has himself said. ancianita Feb 2020 #47
Trump has been burning down the wrong things IronLionZion Feb 2020 #18
Good post.. i agree we need to choose leaders who will build and correct what we have. The burn it c-rational Feb 2020 #19
Does realization matter? ancianita Feb 2020 #22
The Struggle is real Roy Rolling Feb 2020 #25
Your equating Bernie with the cat grabber is kind of far fetched. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #29
I do not want a leader I want a representative. Trump is a leader Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #30
Hell Yes! Both of them suck. bitterross Feb 2020 #34
Oh please, Bernie is not 'Burn it down', Bernie is Captain Zero Feb 2020 #37
As much as I've liked Bernie over the years, I wish he hadn't run. Vinca Feb 2020 #51
I think bdamomma Feb 2020 #66
I totally agree. If Bernie's the nominee I'll walk over hot coals to vote for him. Vinca Feb 2020 #88
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I'm confused. You seemed to make the case for Bernie and then the case against him. Vinca Feb 2020 #89
It's Okay to Compare Bernie to Trump wellst0nev0ter Feb 2020 #67
45's voters blame minorities for their problems. Bernie's voters blame the 1% and corporations. LonePirate Feb 2020 #77
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The only people who want to burn it down are those who know they'll survive the fire gollygee Feb 2020 #83
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