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elder phd

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18. with all due respect
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:32 AM
Feb 2020

but what are you basing your conclusion on, exactly?

i mean, from what you've written here, all i can gather is a vague fear. where does that come from?

to be more explicit, on what do you base this fear that bernie would lose the general? do you have data? have all the voters spoken directly to you? are you clairvoyant?

i mean no offense, but please try to approach this rationally. there is not a single post in all those here trashing bernie that i have read that offers any substantive or reasoned basis for the vitriol. it's all emotional, and that emotion appears to be mostly fear.

fear, and some kind of perverse attachment to remaining petrified. dear denem, "it's not worth trying"??? really??? because you fear trump will beat bernie? again, what is the basis for this conclusion? can you articulate, even for yourself, rational reasons? concrete data? or is this just a hunch?

because your person is not winning? fwiw, liz is also my first choice. i take seriously the importance of remaining united in order to beat trump, and voting blue no matter who. fwiw, i don't see a hair's breadth of difference between bernie's and liz's policies and plans, and i suspect they'll serve in each other's admin if the other one wins. moreover, none of their policies will be enacted as law exactly as they envision them anyway; go back and watch that silly "i'm just a bill" piece that exposes just how rearranged and chopped up they get before they're signed anyway.

liz and bernie's personalities are different, but so what? i don't get how folks see him as belligerent; every time i've seen him he's good-humored and pretty self-effacing. or kinda shy and maybe a bit awkward, like he doesn't enjoy wasting time that could be better spent getting something done. which is why, in fact, he does not buy into the dem caucus that demands each and every member sit for hours each week in a cubicle making calls to beg for MONEY from donors; he prefers to spend that time doing the work. and actually, he doesn't like talking about himself, but more about his policies and vision. which have remained consistent for the 30 years i've been following his career.

sorry, i just realized this feels like i'm trying to talk you off a ledge of your own making. you're entitled to your opinion that bernie will destroy the world, but you have no facts to support that. perhaps if you spend some time re-examining the facts of the matter, you might actually be able to change your mind. but then, if you feel "it's not worth trying," then i guess that means you've given up on not just the dem party but the process it depends on.

and that would be a damn shame, cuz hey, i'm with you on the fear of trump, kiddo.
but sure hope you can snap out of this funk and get on board.
cuz WE NEED ALL HANDS ON DECK!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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So if Bernie gets the nomination let's stay on course... Moderateguy Feb 2020 #1
Great post! Don't forget another Bernie idea: Bluepinky Feb 2020 #2
thanks. i added it. garybeck Feb 2020 #4
How will that be accomplished? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #17
Well, don't accept donations from corporations in a political campaign. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #22
And future opponents? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #28
The voters don't seem to care how all that will be accomplished. Laelth Feb 2020 #32
If you want to know what the 'doom and gloom' around here is about denem Feb 2020 #3
Interesting you brought up 2016. MisterFred Feb 2020 #6
We can't talk about 2016 under the DU rules. denem Feb 2020 #7
Thank you for telling me about the rules. MisterFred Feb 2020 #12
I supported Hillsry because she was more wnylib Feb 2020 #10
with all due respect elder phd Feb 2020 #18
#1 BS is a huge proponent of the trillion $$ F35 cuz its based/built in VT. big MIC lover all the wa msongs Feb 2020 #5
Bernie LOVES that $1.5 trillion military boondoggle dalton99a Feb 2020 #25
The really fun day around DU will be when he picks Tulsi as his running mate (nt) mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #8
Oh yeah. denem Feb 2020 #11
LOL SunSeeker Feb 2020 #15
When I am close to despair, denem Feb 2020 #16
just for you, denem elder phd Feb 2020 #20
I can't say what I want about bernie because of LostinRed Feb 2020 #9
And, of course, you are quite sure that Congress, now solidly R will go along question everything Feb 2020 #13
correction elder phd Feb 2020 #19
It will, if we have a socialist at the top of the ticket question everything Feb 2020 #23
Your predictions are irrelevant. Congress is not solidly Republican RIGHT NOW. John Fante Feb 2020 #31
Don't you have any sympathy for the nameless post offices? Squinch Feb 2020 #27
What a great thread with great responses! erlewyne Feb 2020 #14
You simply failed to list the features that I don't like. NNadir Feb 2020 #21
Ah yes, the usual "and then the revolution happens" Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #24
He's selling snake oil and doesn't even have a snake Moderateguy Feb 2020 #26
The biggest risk is that people's fears will create a self-fulfilling prophecy Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #29
Well, I keep hearing the electibility silliness, too, but I am convinced that... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #30
If it helps.... LakeArenal Feb 2020 #33
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