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51. Are you for real?

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:42 AM

Feb 2020

It was because of this in 2016 that Trump won the electoral votes he needed:

"Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election."

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

It was Sanders primary voters who gave the general election to Trump. If Hillary would have won just a fraction of the 12% mentioned above in a few key states, we would never be having this conversation. This is also why the polling was so off in the 2016 general election. So yes, let's go back all the way to 1972.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The left in the Democratic Party are severely misreading the mood of the nation [View all] CalFione Feb 2020 OP

No, the pundit class is misreading the economy. redqueen Feb 2020 #1

In poll after poll, large majorities are ok with the economy CalFione Feb 2020 #5

Please share a few of those polls. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #8

Trump has 56% approval on economy.... CalFione Feb 2020 #20

That's nice talking point fodder redqueen Feb 2020 #24

it is nationwide CalFione Feb 2020 #26

YES millions are hurting. But they're not a majority. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #102

Try the most important economic indicator, unemploment. It's at a istorical low. brush Feb 2020 #37

Here's the RCP average Recursion Feb 2020 #45

Yes please. I'd like to see the polls as well. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #87

... handmade34 Feb 2020 #106

Thank You. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #111

70% of Americans say U.S. economic system unfairly favors the powerful redqueen Feb 2020 #14

But the polling says they're OK with that as long as wages go up and unemployment stays down Recursion Feb 2020 #46

BS. 5X Feb 2020 #52

"And for most people at least their economic circumstances AverageJoe Feb 2020 #53

Most Americans have always been struggling Recursion Feb 2020 #57

Who in god's name would hope for a 2008 CRASH AGAIN?! democratisphere Feb 2020 #89

No one, but maybe we can fix it right this time TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #103

When a person applies for a jumbo mortgage without income verification or democratisphere Feb 2020 #105

Spot on... We can't survive here any more at all JCMach1 Feb 2020 #6

Except millions of Republicans are also living paycheck to paycheck yet they still voted for Trump cstanleytech Feb 2020 #32

Correct -- Most Americans are not doing well economically. n/t whathehell Feb 2020 #33

Most Americans seem to disagree with you Recursion Feb 2020 #47

Most Americans are quoting what they're being told by the media whathehell Feb 2020 #68

What is your plan to make them stop believing the media? Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #85

Shouldn't the Party have a 'plan' for that? whathehell Feb 2020 #110

redqueen, I love that response erlewyne Feb 2020 #40

+1000 Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #67

The bottom line is ALWAYS... dchill Feb 2020 #76

Totally agree with everything you said. democratisphere Feb 2020 #90

What amazes me is seeing right wing talking points here. redqueen Feb 2020 #92

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #101

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and like 1972, the ratf***ing will happen again CalFione Feb 2020 #7

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I assume you have no shame suggesting Sanders' candidacy is illegitimate. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #11

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Sanders is as much a victim of the ratf***ing as the rest of us CalFione Feb 2020 #15

Sanders is winning because he's popular. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #22

in three Small States.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #81

No, if he wins the nomination I wouldn't say that. I would say that Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #64

You mean Bloomborg's billions? peequod Feb 2020 #35

Then again, Steyer's got billions, doesn't he? peequod Feb 2020 #39

"You liberals will cost us the election. Shut up and vote for who we tell you to vote for." blue-wave Feb 2020 #25

In '72 you could survive on a 40 hr. a week minimum wage job. tecelote Feb 2020 #49

+1 Huge difference between 1972 and now, no comparison really appalachiablue Feb 2020 #61

You absolutely could not Recursion Feb 2020 #65

You're right. I can't imagine raising a family on that then or now. tecelote Feb 2020 #66

Yes..It is very different now, and whathehell Feb 2020 #74

Oh Lord. Another OP about McGovern. denem Feb 2020 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #10

I will be fighting for Bernie, from the day after nomination, as if my life depended on it, denem Feb 2020 #17

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Why charge a machine gun nest, if one is nearly certain to be killed? denem Feb 2020 #23

Dems will vote for the Dem nominee. Independents and moderate Republicans will not. OnDoutside Feb 2020 #63

For the alternative one party state exboyfil Feb 2020 #73

Yes and it will take multiple s of decades to get back to even where we are now OnDoutside Feb 2020 #95

And the Supreme Court being lost for Generations..... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #82

I always say, it's about ideology, not reality. Those who will suffer because of this OnDoutside Feb 2020 #96

+ 100,000 greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #88

Again, as I say over and over, polls show Bernie beating Trump. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #4

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #12

Those polls are popular votes only. Fla Dem Feb 2020 #50

Didn't the polls show Hillary beating Trump? avebury Feb 2020 #77

Great post. Sanders 7.5% payroll tax will mean hundreds less R B Garr Feb 2020 #16

middle class folks will also see an income tax increase. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #21

Yes, and take away excellent health care for those happy R B Garr Feb 2020 #28

Yes, it sounds like a really exciting opportunity! HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #31

It's ideologically important for some people to believe that nobody gets free insurance Recursion Feb 2020 #48

While those kids chew through exboyfil Feb 2020 #70

Yes, and the only responses I've seen so far to that are R B Garr Feb 2020 #71

Verily! 'Tis much akin to the strife betwixt James Monroe and Tom Jefferson! Bonobo Feb 2020 #19

Love it! rwsanders Feb 2020 #43

Okay, this was an original reply - love it! n/t ms liberty Feb 2020 #79

Nixon's approval ratings were in the high 50s for most of John Fante Feb 2020 #27

He does have high 50s on economy, though CalFione Feb 2020 #29

He rarely gets marks that high on the economy. John Fante Feb 2020 #34

Here's what it will come down to for a lot of people. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #36

The Independent will choose door 2.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #83

Precisely. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #94

K&R, Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most uponit7771 Feb 2020 #30

I get it. Some people think Trump is a relatively better steward of the economy. David__77 Feb 2020 #38

Why go back to 1972, when all you have to do is look at 2016? Sanders would have beaten Trump... xocet Feb 2020 #41

Are you for real? blue-wave Feb 2020 #51

You're suggesting those voters would have also abandoned Sanders? AverageJoe Feb 2020 #54

We can argue blue-wave Feb 2020 #58

If your statement is sincere... xocet Feb 2020 #56

Well I suggest that you re-examine your claim also blue-wave Feb 2020 #59

Sorry, my experience is that the public wants results. rwsanders Feb 2020 #42

LOL HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #60

I'm aware, but even Bill Maher said that Obama could have used a bit of George Bush in him. rwsanders Feb 2020 #107

Nothing happened at the beginning of Obama's term? CalFione Feb 2020 #98

Which economy? rwsanders Feb 2020 #109

This is the most popular economy since the late 1990s Recursion Feb 2020 #44

I am done. MySideOfTown Feb 2020 #55

Wrong! ananda Feb 2020 #62

You forgot the sarcasm tag nt FBaggins Feb 2020 #69

What? LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #84

Welcome Back to DU RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #72

You are 100% right. Bernie is a mistake waiting to happen. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #75

All of THIS... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #78

"People will always choose the sociopath over the socialist, especially with an ok economy." NurseJackie Feb 2020 #80

I don't think you have to go back to 1972. If Bernie is the nominee, he is going to be tagged with still_one Feb 2020 #86

Apparently we are not supposed to actually vote for the candidates who support our positions. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #91

correct. This election is ONLY about removing Trump CalFione Feb 2020 #97

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #100

Kick question everything Feb 2020 #93

Well, guy who joined a week ago Bettie Feb 2020 #99

2020 does not resemble 1972 whatsoever. OliverQ Feb 2020 #104

Senator Sanders is drawing ENORMOUS crowds. How is that... mike_c Feb 2020 #108

K&R Scurrilous Feb 2020 #112