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35. That's true about any rifle in similar calibers

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:29 AM

Feb 2020

The AR itself does not fire an individual bullet any faster or with more force than any other rifle chambered in the same caliber. The rate of fire can be higher with detachable high capacity magazines of course but the AR platform itself doesn't change the ballistics of the individual round, it would do the same thing on impact out of a bolt action hunting rifle of the same barrel length.

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Bernie Sanders Doubles Down On Support for Law That Protects Gun Sellers From Lawsuits [View all] TomCADem Feb 2020 OP

I bet Fred Guttenberg is sad to see this. Cha Feb 2020 #1

Very sad. I'm sure. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #41

Yes. Cha Feb 2020 #75

I Agree DanieRains Feb 2020 #2

as long as a company follows the law then it should be protected by the law. jg10003 Feb 2020 #3

+1! tecelote Feb 2020 #7

Why shouldn't victims be able to sue if the company markets an unreasonably dangerous weapon? SunSeeker Feb 2020 #8

Valid questions. jg10003 Feb 2020 #14

Invalid answers. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #18

idiocy 5X Feb 2020 #79

Yes. If you are profiting from selling guns Tweedy Feb 2020 #105

The problem is an assault rifle is only extra dangerous due to magazine capacity Amishman Feb 2020 #17

Oh God. Not this shit again. It's not just the capacity. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #19

That's true about any rifle in similar calibers madville Feb 2020 #35

I agree with you that the AR is an effective weapon by design. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #43

The AR is not a self defense weapon. It is an assault weapon. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #74

It's LArider Feb 2020 #94

Bullshit. It works great on mowing down large numbers of humans in minutes. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #96

The gungeon is the only place I won't enter. xmas74 Feb 2020 #113

It's not a hobby LArider Feb 2020 #114

It keeps coming up because it is the truth Amishman Feb 2020 #66

Assault weapon features Shermann Feb 2020 #69

No it's not the truth, and I explained why in this thread. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #71

Absolutely false hack89 Feb 2020 #76

Because the BATFE aaproved them as a reasonable firearms. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #32

He wants to *ban* assault weapons. Plus the March for Our Lives confounders just endorsed him JudyM Feb 2020 #111

Totally agree! TheFarseer Feb 2020 #36

Their version of following the law dsc Feb 2020 #37

What do mean by targeting children? aikoaiko Feb 2020 #45

through video games and other media they advertised their guns dsc Feb 2020 #48

Really? You're a part of the video games causes gun violence crowd? aikoaiko Feb 2020 #85

It sure does help sell guns dsc Feb 2020 #87

If the so-called marketing of gun in video games is not causing gun violence... aikoaiko Feb 2020 #91

yes the sales of guns is totally unrelated to violence dsc Feb 2020 #92

We did sell a lot of guns as gun homicides plummetted from the early 1990s aikoaiko Feb 2020 #93

Gun manufacturers don't sell directly to the public hack89 Feb 2020 #77

right and drug traffickers don't sell to the public either dsc Feb 2020 #81

So crack down on the shady gun dealers. hack89 Feb 2020 #83

The law Sanders voted for also banned that dsc Feb 2020 #84

It absolutely did not hack89 Feb 2020 #86

that we can't enforce because of the NRA dsc Feb 2020 #88

Time for you to post an excerpt from the law hack89 Feb 2020 #89

The NRA wouldn't have *any* power The Mouth Feb 2020 #110

Sanders has always supported shielding gun manufacturers from liability pecosbob Feb 2020 #115

Purism. David__77 Feb 2020 #4

Exactly HopeAgain Feb 2020 #101

That is so fucked up. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #5

Vaccine producers enjoy special immunity too aikoaiko Feb 2020 #46

well except that they pay into a fund which pays out the claims dsc Feb 2020 #50

Their product is encouraged for the public good. Blue_true Feb 2020 #97

They are not immune from liability hack89 Feb 2020 #78

Sanders' statement is logical Martin Eden Feb 2020 #6

Sanders' statement is an NRA talking point. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #11

Legal to manufacture and sell, but not to market? Martin Eden Feb 2020 #42

K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #9

perhaps one position that is helpful in GE? AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #10

No. His stance in support of gun manufacturer immunity will not get him any votes. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #12

Yep, tRump is a gun-owners dream candidate. Why would they switch to Bernie? n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #39

Trump is actually quite vulnerable with RKBA types. k2qb3 Feb 2020 #64

It will probably hurt him in the GE jmowreader Feb 2020 #13

If we do not want them to build them, then we have to make them illegal. jmg257 Feb 2020 #15

No, we just need to repeal the PLCAA. Civil suits will do the rest. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #21

Agreed, its like trying legislate via lawsuits, instead of laws. Nt jmg257 Feb 2020 #25

His reasoning is valid Shermann Feb 2020 #16

Oy, again with the NRA bullshit hammer talking point. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #20

You seem to be conflating assault rifles with lawn darts Shermann Feb 2020 #23

I'm not conflating anything. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #24

JFC. This is sad. I wonder how much octoberlib Feb 2020 #22

Who Knows?? LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #26

We are not repugs and will not act the way they do. lark Feb 2020 #27

That law was mainly about protecting the companies that supply our war machine madville Feb 2020 #28

No, it was about ARs that were about to flood the civilian market. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #29

ARs with high capacity magazines madville Feb 2020 #33

mass shooting plummeted during the reign of this toothless law dsc Feb 2020 #38

Whatever the reason, it had nothing to do with the availability of such weapons under the ban madville Feb 2020 #44

really it was all a giant coincidence dsc Feb 2020 #47

The end of the ban lead to a huge sales and marketing push to sell these weapons madville Feb 2020 #53

/ Yes - This exactly. jmg257 Feb 2020 #58

Plummeted - yes indeed! - went from 68 to 53. jmg257 Feb 2020 #52

that is nearly 20 percent dsc Feb 2020 #55

Yes I know -1+ death per year!!! WOO HOO! The ban was basically useless, as it did nothing jmg257 Feb 2020 #57

THANK YOU redqueen Feb 2020 #59

ARs with cosmetic changes were still available during the AWB. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #49

No. The connection is not weak. It's spot on. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #72

The rifle used at Sandy Hook was legal during the "ban" hack89 Feb 2020 #82

AR15 production peaked during the "ban" hack89 Feb 2020 #80

SOOOO "progressive" (swooooon) ❤️❤️❤️ ❤️❤️❤️ wyldwolf Feb 2020 #30

Bernie is right about this. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #31

I also need to hear riverwalker Feb 2020 #34

When I put a screw through my thumb, I didn't sue DeWalt over the drill. Autumn Feb 2020 #40

Maybe you should have Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #62

Why would I? I was the one controlling the drill. Had I put the tool though someone else's finger I Autumn Feb 2020 #63

But they can make it so you can't put the drill through your finger and the manufacturers wont do it Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #65

Given your drill experience, would you mind doing us all a favor... jberryhill Feb 2020 #102

This is the main reason I will not vote for him. period. randr Feb 2020 #51

Bernie won in 1990 with the support of the NRA. nycbos Feb 2020 #54

He won because he was a unknown, not because they owned him. Lancero Feb 2020 #108

He wasn't unknown. nycbos Feb 2020 #112

From the 2016 Democratic Platform. lapucelle Feb 2020 #56

NRA contributions in 1...2....3... NCProgressive Feb 2020 #60

This is pretty simple Bayard Feb 2020 #61

A very effective ad from Joe Biden that highlights Bernie's position on suing gun manufacturers. Gothmog Feb 2020 #67

A must see. On the morning of the Sandy Hook shooting dalton99a Feb 2020 #70

I actually agree with Sanders here. tritsofme Feb 2020 #68

Exactly Calculating Feb 2020 #118

Jesus..you just cannot make this stuff up Peacetrain Feb 2020 #73

Should I be allowed to sue the Twinkee corporation for making me fat? JFlash Feb 2020 #90

I agree with him. LArider Feb 2020 #95

Hell yeah Sen. Sanders!!! Devil Child Feb 2020 #98

Siding With Gun Makers Is Now Liberal? TomCADem Feb 2020 #99

I'm not concerned if my stance is definable as "liberal" or not Devil Child Feb 2020 #100

I agree with you. David__77 Feb 2020 #103

Well, Bernie Just Argued That This Was a Bad Vote on His Part TomCADem Feb 2020 #116

Didn't watch the debate, if this is true not an action I respect or agree with Devil Child Feb 2020 #120

It's a slippery slope... fallout87 Feb 2020 #104

Thank you @JoeBiden for these comments and for your commitment to repeal PLCCA. Gothmog Feb 2020 #106

I just can't respect him for this. We're not living in the 1700's any more. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #107

D.U. is Much more anti-gun than the people in a LOT of The Mouth Feb 2020 #109

+1 n/t Devil Child Feb 2020 #121

Good Calculating Feb 2020 #117

Well, Then Don't Vote For Bernie, Because... TomCADem Feb 2020 #119