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Demsrule86

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78. DU is full of experienced folks who understand that Sanders will lose a general and give

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

Feb 2020

Trump four more years...consider a 6-3 court. I would say that some who no longer support the party are involved in this and operation chaos Republicans also. All you have to do is look at state governments,the Senate and courts...to see that we live in a center left country at best...and Sanders will lose badly. And I honestly don't know if we survive four more years of Trump. Hubs and I will most likely use the right of return and go to Ireland. He is first generation...and our family could go. I have a gay Daughter...a 6-3 court threatens her life. Also, just to let you all know, it it comes between Sanders and Bloomberg, I choose Bloomberg...at least he has a shot to win the general. I am hoping Biden wins and am glad he was in second...moderates need to drop out and leave one candidate or I believe we will end up with Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Is DU out of step with the Democratic Party? [View all] kentuck Feb 2020 OP

I am not scared of Bernie. I'm scared he will get tRump re-elected. nt zackymilly Feb 2020 #1

Do you blame Hillary for Trump's election in the first place? PTWB Feb 2020 #45

Actually, I blame Sanders for not helping her in the General sufficiently...but I would vote for him Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author PAMod Feb 2020 #214

That was my main concern also - however, I always like Bernie and I think I will support him in walkingman Feb 2020 #48

"wrong" and "ineffective" aren't the same thing. cab67 Feb 2020 #128

nobody thought dotard could do what he has done. n/t 5X Feb 2020 #139

Many of us knew damn well he could. cab67 Feb 2020 #158

I think reality is this - it all comes down to Congress. Unless we can gain control of the Senate walkingman Feb 2020 #163

That is reality. cab67 Feb 2020 #172

He is doing pretty good with the rank and file Dems so far. scipan Feb 2020 #187

This is the article that made me really think twice about Sanders. cab67 Feb 2020 #188

EXACTLY, ZM DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #80

I can, he is the opposite of dotard. 5X Feb 2020 #140

Your answer doesn't make sense DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #200

Bernie and Trump are two sides of the same coin dansolo Feb 2020 #212

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #220

Putin is about chaos stopwastingmymoney Feb 2020 #229

As always, DU is both in AND out of step. dchill Feb 2020 #2

No more "out of step" than any given slice of the party. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #3

No. Because usually young people don't vote. When they did, in 2018, they went for moderates Squinch Feb 2020 #4

Texas and California will be the next state to see Hispanics vote in droves for sanders jimfields33 Feb 2020 #9

And if they do, good for him. But so far all his promises of hordes of voters in his pocket have Squinch Feb 2020 #13

No matter what. I'd rather be in Bernie's position then any others jimfields33 Feb 2020 #15

Right now, yes. Lots of powerful people from all over are supporting him. Squinch Feb 2020 #17

Yep. jimfields33 Feb 2020 #20

Uh huh. Squinch Feb 2020 #22

That's a good one Squinsh. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #40

You know I wasn't talking about endorsements, right? Squinch Feb 2020 #41

Yep. musette_sf Feb 2020 #166

It looks like Trump wants Bernie to win and also wants to make the DNC appear corrupt dustyscamp Feb 2020 #202

If he is the nominee and loses...history will not be kind to Sanders...he will cost this party and Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #162

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2020 #167

Good thing he's not going to lose jimfields33 Feb 2020 #175

Young Hispanic are more with Bernie, older ones are not and will not vote for a socialist. boston bean Feb 2020 #25

Lighten up. Let the rank and file choose. Hillary was a moderate, supported by the democratic johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #58

Well, the rank and file and...others. Squinch Feb 2020 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #150

Trying to smear and bait someone by attacking a straw man is also not a good look. ehrnst Feb 2020 #159

Lost the general to Putin. He helped her opponent. delisen Feb 2020 #231

I've tried tellin peeps this, which is part of what's drivin Bernie's inevitability... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #203

People always want a simple narrative, don't they? CBHagman Feb 2020 #141

I am closely watching the direction of young voters randr Feb 2020 #5

DU, from my lurking, skews a lot older Sympthsical Feb 2020 #6

Hmmm. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #31

I for one older voter here do not buy the utopian world Butterflylady Feb 2020 #43

It's really not Sympthsical Feb 2020 #60

Someone with people skills gets far more accomplished than someone who is always ehrnst Feb 2020 #154

That's why I want Warren over him Sympthsical Feb 2020 #173

I don't buy that. dbolski Feb 2020 #174

As another older voter, I've been waiting for a candidate like Bernie since the 1980s. denverbill Feb 2020 #65

Me too... thankfully, the long wait is OVER!! It's Bernie's time now & he'll get the job done!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #77

I've been to the left of Bernie since the 70's, so I got no problem with his presidency. ancianita Feb 2020 #106

I'm with you. Those are darned good questions. PatrickforO Feb 2020 #151

He didn't do it by calling it a socialist program, and he had to lie about what it would cost ehrnst Feb 2020 #155

+1! tecelote Feb 2020 #211

Have you ever been in European countries or Canada or any other developed country? KSNY Feb 2020 #71

I lived in Europe for four years Sympthsical Feb 2020 #112

I lived in the UK. And I also know that they got started on it a lifetime ago. ehrnst Feb 2020 #157

But with a large turnout of new voters the Senate could swing... KSNY Feb 2020 #184

That does not change the logistics of this kind of upheaval of a system in TWO YEARS even it if does ehrnst Feb 2020 #185

Yes, and it is the reason why whatever Democratic candidate is elected, must have coattails KSNY Feb 2020 #189

Of course we need a Democrat. I feel that promising a complete overhaul of the ehrnst Feb 2020 #215

THIS x 1,000!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #228

"Utopian world." LOL Yeah, $15/hour utopia. SMC22307 Feb 2020 #207

I'm 60 y.o.and think Bernie is fine. Like his stance on the issues. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #62

Older lildDemz Feb 2020 #100

I'm older and I like Bernie. brutus smith Feb 2020 #119

It's not a truism Sympthsical Feb 2020 #132

Here's one older voter who likes Bernie Boomer Feb 2020 #147

I'm 37 and going for Biden. musicblind Feb 2020 #164

I'm 65 and Sanders is the candidate I've waited most of my life for. mike_c Feb 2020 #201

Has anyone ever run a poll to get a snapshot of the age range of DU members? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #204

I'm 62 and paying $2,000 a month for hubby's healthcare and mine - it's breaking us. Liberty Belle Feb 2020 #206

Not scared of Bernie cherryinpa Feb 2020 #7

What is this math based on? PTWB Feb 2020 #47

"math"? TheRickles Feb 2020 #123

Sanders is dangling a $2+ trillion carrot in front of those young voters, $1.6 trlllion in student highplainsdem Feb 2020 #8

Well cherryinpa Feb 2020 #11

Other candidates are offering achievable plans, with reasonable price tags, that are targeted at highplainsdem Feb 2020 #16

"If he wins they definitely wont get that $2T" mitch96 Feb 2020 #88

Too bad republicans are not concerned about price tags. $1.8 trillion tax cut with a johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #64

Maybe in their minds the government will just print more money. Baked Potato Feb 2020 #92

Isn't that demographic notorious for not voting? Nasruddin Feb 2020 #125

Usually. Though if they expect 5- or 6-figure financial windfalls, that might motivate them. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #127

Yep, Corgigal Feb 2020 #156

And let's say he writes an executive order for debt forgiveness instead of trying to octoberlib Feb 2020 #160

Has anyone done the math on defense spending and wealthy tax cuts vis a vis those promises? mdelaguna Feb 2020 #234

I have no info on DU demographics but Wabbajack_ Feb 2020 #10

Seeing how Bernie energized his base of young and Latinos to win in a landslide, u might be right Baclava Feb 2020 #27

I will decide whether "well-er" is a word while I wash socks. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #34

Hope your washer is industrial-strength and has a long warranty dalton99a Feb 2020 #50

I do socks by hand. The washer is 72 years old. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #52

I'm not well to do. I'm lucky to be able Butterflylady Feb 2020 #44

My suspicion too except the part about DUers being more well off nt VarryOn Feb 2020 #87

Way out of step. As Joy Reid said. "We underestimated the rage of people working 3 jobs" Autumn Feb 2020 #12

I's my party and I'll cry if I want to comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #14

The denial & fear of Bernie's candidacy will soon turn to acceptance then we'll all unite as a Party InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #18

I don't see the party uniting if Bloomberg is nominated. denem Feb 2020 #63

Neither do I The Mouth Feb 2020 #73

DU doesn't represent anything other than DU. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #19

Your post is so well said. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #49

Neither do you. brutus smith Feb 2020 #126

I "feel" the same way. pazzyanne Feb 2020 #83

Indeed. calimary Feb 2020 #102

I don't know. At least here I see a bit of balance. apcalc Feb 2020 #21

Yes. OliverQ Feb 2020 #23

The political reality is that to get a majority octoberlib Feb 2020 #24

Oh, please, oh please, make this an OP!!! Squinch Feb 2020 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Feb 2020 #29

Yeah. The long knives are out. And the Russian elves. I'm sorry to hear that. Squinch Feb 2020 #30

Please self-delete. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #35

Bernie is the one and only Bernie Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #42

Oh, we understand it. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #57

Has everyone forgot about the 2016 election. We had a moderate democratic candidate that lost. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #72

That moderate candidate won the popular vote and was thoroughll vetted before the election. pazzyanne Feb 2020 #93

Maybe you should read up on Russian involvement in our elections delisen Feb 2020 #232

My guess is that I know about Russian involvement as much or more than most. pazzyanne Feb 2020 #235

So true. Desert grandma Feb 2020 #179

Agreed. So obvious. Yet, severe blinders, at both ends of the political empedocles Feb 2020 #28

Not scared of Bernie. I just don't like him. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #32

+1 dalton99a Feb 2020 #90

+1 pazzyanne Feb 2020 #95

+1. Paladin Feb 2020 #146

True. Dem2 Feb 2020 #192

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #221

Yes, because much of the membership is older than Bloomberg. k2qb3 Feb 2020 #33

It's more that the Democratic Party Turbineguy Feb 2020 #36

DU is not representative of mainstream democrats, never has been but no big deal. beachbumbob Feb 2020 #37

Bernie's not playin games here...tRumpty Dumbty's an existential threat, which is why we need Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #70

This thread is fascinating, don't you think? Laelth Feb 2020 #38

It's often couched in ageism. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #198

I adore(d) Kucinich. Laelth Feb 2020 #209

Out of line in multiple ways karynnj Feb 2020 #39

Way, way, way out of step. And it's not just an age thing. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #46

So, I thought this was a place to come to discuss differences of opinions. pazzyanne Feb 2020 #99

The OP is asking for a judgement call. As are most threads, actually. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #103

+1 Gore1FL Feb 2020 #245

Are you factoring in Russia or discounting any role? delisen Feb 2020 #51

It doesn't matter who our candidate is, Russia will try to deliver a victory to tRump/Putin. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #69

I am talking about choosing a primary candidate delisen Feb 2020 #76

Bernie is not going to be effective...and there is a significant possibility Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #53

Even if most here are stuck in the past, they should remember this about their fear of a label 1952 lunasun Feb 2020 #54

BOOOOOOOOMMM!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #74

k&r for the truth. Laelth Feb 2020 #110

yes. booley Feb 2020 #55

Recommended. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #56

its possible them some don't consider themselves progressives. I, for one, have been backing yaesu Feb 2020 #59

The only thing we have to fear mountain grammy Feb 2020 #61

The Bernie bashing/hatred is unreal. "Moderates" need to get a fucking clue, settle down, TheSocialDem Feb 2020 #66

As a progressive democrat since 1980 who has seen numerous candidates fall to the wayside johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #79

Hear here! K&R, nt. druidity33 Feb 2020 #190

Don't worry, the Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash is REAL & why Bernie has the nomination wrapped up InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #84

This place used to be too cool for school IronLionZion Feb 2020 #67

I've had that feeling for awhile now. Mostly because we're more aware and prone to punditry. imo ancianita Feb 2020 #68

"Out of step" on a lot of things. And hypocritical as well oldsoftie Feb 2020 #75

DU is full of experienced folks who understand that Sanders will lose a general and give Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #78

I keep pointing out to people that our moderate candidate lost in the 2016 election. johnthewoodworker Feb 2020 #89

Hillary won by 3 million votes. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #98

Politics is about governing, it's not about free living bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #81

Each generation has new visions and more skills to implement them than the last. Don't think ancianita Feb 2020 #101

I think the fear comes from the fact that Bernie can't win against Trump dlk Feb 2020 #82

+1. And people should care about the next four years under Trump dalton99a Feb 2020 #97

Another Trump term would mean the end of our republic dlk Feb 2020 #176

+1. And for climate change, EIGHT years wasted. dalton99a Feb 2020 #178

It's a pendulum swinging. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #85

Excellent. Thanks for posting. mahannah Feb 2020 #86

Bernie doesn't scare me, and I will vote for him if he wins the nomination. Nitram Feb 2020 #91

Hell no ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #94

Is it possible that... Pluvious Feb 2020 #96

It's not perfectly representative, of course. David__77 Feb 2020 #104

77, recent heart attack victim, won't release medical records. trof Feb 2020 #105

Lots of people like to be told they can have everything with no sacrifice or hard work. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #107

Man, I think that's EVERYBODY Nasruddin Feb 2020 #136

Yes. Out of step with most voters and Dem voters in particular. redqueen Feb 2020 #108

Son is voting this year Puppyjive Feb 2020 #109

Well said. Thanks for sharing that. It's their future and we're running out of time to address Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #118

Out of step with the Dem party and out of step with the Dem voters may be two different things, too. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #111

Clairvoyant DoubleDeuce Feb 2020 #113

This old fart likes your post! burrowowl Feb 2020 #134

"strap a set on...." Nice comment on what it takes to have any courage... ehrnst Feb 2020 #218

I ain't scared DoubleDeuce Feb 2020 #238

Define "FREAKING OUT" ehrnst Feb 2020 #239

Same old.....same old. DoubleDeuce Feb 2020 #241

Reich DoubleDeuce Feb 2020 #242

And? ehrnst Feb 2020 #247

What is it "that we deserve?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #244

Crickets.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #246

So hard to say. DU has been around for... what?..20 years? NRaleighLiberal Feb 2020 #114

it appears that way... RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #115

Agree. Out of step. zentrum Feb 2020 #116

Bernie is not a Democrat. He clearly states he is "I" for Independent. bitterross Feb 2020 #117

I think so too! BlueJac Feb 2020 #122

so interesting that NJCher Feb 2020 #130

Why? ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #135

Not at all interesting. I'm bitter for good reason bitterross Feb 2020 #138

Now that you have tried to insult me.. bitterross Feb 2020 #142

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2020 #165

I was thinking the same thing haydukelives Feb 2020 #120

When I first discovered DU after W HootieMcBoob Feb 2020 #121

About this "young people go for Bernie" thing.... cab67 Feb 2020 #124

So True Kentuck. I too favor Elizabeth, Bernie would have been great in 2016. joanbarnes Feb 2020 #129

I think making any judgements about the direction of the party before Super Tuesday is nuts. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #131

DU has never been in step EarlG Feb 2020 #133

Hahahahaha. ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #137

It says a lot that DU apparently skews much more progressive than the Democratic electorate... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #240

Yup krakfiend Feb 2020 #143

Early Gen Xer here. Tink41 Feb 2020 #144

Well said Boomer Feb 2020 #148

Winning a plurality of 3 states does not indicate being out of step kydemo Feb 2020 #152

Yes, DU is... The 2016 nomination battle JCMach1 Feb 2020 #149

Nah. Jirel Feb 2020 #153

Most definitely DU is out of step. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #168

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #169

Looking at the candidate preference percentages will tell you that DU is out of step. Kaleva Feb 2020 #170

I'll try not to be insulting, but... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #171

Well, it seems out of step with my County Democrats, which are... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #180

So far we've seen two caucuses and lily-white New Hampshire... SidDithers Feb 2020 #177

Can we stop erasing voters of color BlueWI Feb 2020 #182

How many Latino voters voted in the Iowa caucus?... SidDithers Feb 2020 #183

NYT totals do not list a specific vote total for Latinos. BlueWI Feb 2020 #186

From your lips... joshcryer Feb 2020 #223

Agreed 100%. BlueWI Feb 2020 #181

Very much so Tarc Feb 2020 #191

DU skews older than the general electorate TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #193

DU fascinates me pizzaprincess Feb 2020 #194

"People wanted a progressive powerhouse." TwilightZone Feb 2020 #195

There were those who expected him to take the oath in a dashiki... ehrnst Feb 2020 #219

It's really fascinating the way get in a group insult, especially as a newbie. ehrnst Feb 2020 #217

Everyone my daughter knows is excited about Bernie, and these are young people who vote. Luciferous Feb 2020 #196

Good to hear!! GO BERNIE!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #205

Young voters don't like to vote, have been brainwashed about Social Security CousinIT Feb 2020 #197

Bitterness, not policies, seems to be their way forward. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #199

The young should not be the only ones who count wisteria Feb 2020 #208

After the primary: Vote Blue No Matter Who. Duppers Feb 2020 #210

Given how popular he is vis a vis the other candidates, the answer is clearly "Yes" Bonobo Feb 2020 #213

It is certainly out of step with younger Democrats who are progressive JonLP24 Feb 2020 #216

That says a lot about what you think of DU... ehrnst Feb 2020 #222

Depends on what you mean by the "Democratic Party" Steelrolled Feb 2020 #224

Democratic strategist Andrew Feldman said Sanders' consistent messaging may help him on some measure BigBearJohn Feb 2020 #225

I'm am not scared of bernie.. what scares me is what his divisiveness does to our country.. samnsara Feb 2020 #226

DU is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the American population. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #227

My kids are 31 and 34 and they heartily dislike Bernie. lark Feb 2020 #230

I am a Millennial, and I am not for Bernie. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #233

Yes, for the most part. n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #236

I agree... is this because of 2016 and the feeling he sabotaged Hillary? budkin Feb 2020 #237

The great purge of a previous election skewed the politics of this site, to be sure. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #243