Democratic Primaries

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67. Didn't think what?

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #66)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 08:14 AM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden's Paid Speech Buoyed the G.O.P. in Midwest Battleground [View all] melman Apr 2019 OP

Can't read articles Skidmore Apr 2019 #1

you forgot to include evidence that this actually made a difference in the vote nt msongs Apr 2019 #2

Nope, all that is needed here is BASH BASH BASH any Democrat, especially the one leading Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #101

Drop it, please. elleng Apr 2019 #3

COMEON. It is the "Paid Speech, so he sold his soul" trick. Blue_true Apr 2019 #12

Which is why we should NOT rerun it, GOT IT? elleng Apr 2019 #13

Yep. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #18

He praised the Republican lawmaker in a competitive race? Wabbajack_ Apr 2019 #197

An article from January? mcar Apr 2019 #4

Talk to The New York Times!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #58

BASH BASH BASH BASH , this is the place to come if you want to Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #102

In the interest of transparency, EVERY candidate should provide a transcript of all public & private InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #5

yep Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #6

I'm confused. Control-Z Apr 2019 #40

No, tax returns are ALSO important in the interest of full transparency. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #60

I'm glad to see you post this. yardwork Apr 2019 #94

Agreed. nobodys dropping anything. as it should be Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #142

Yes, as it should be. Let's hope ALL candidates are held to the same "full transparency" standard InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #156

Equal transparency, equal scrutiny. nt Snotcicles Apr 2019 #163

Precisely!! Bring it... I have ZERO doubt that fair and equal vetting InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #166

And Bernie should release ALL his FULL tax returns. Blue_true Apr 2019 #14

This sort of thing only makes me dislike Sen Sanders more....attacking other Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #27

Sanders... very divisive Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #32

Sanders runs the NY Times? It's their article. shanny Apr 2019 #38

We should ALL be in favor of full transparency...we can't take a chance this time... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #50

Then quit running around making excuses for his taxes. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #72

No one's making excuses...as I've repeatedly stated, Bernie NEEDS to release his taxes InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #76

No you don't have any idea what "we all just need". MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #77

I have no problem at all with your doing that...but, let's hold ALL politicians' feet to the fire... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #78

He has had years. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #80

He released PART of his 2014 tax return in 2016. Skipped right over 2015. Anyone know why? George II Apr 2019 #160

Maybe it's a political hit job on Bernie... perhaps, that explains it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #161

. George II Apr 2019 #195

... sheshe2 Apr 2019 #194

Absolutely. shanny Apr 2019 #131

It just makes sense... no exceptions, no double standards. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #134

"Old shit" This happened last fall. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #42

A sanders supporter posted it...scorched earth. Makes me dislike Sanders more. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #85

That's what Sanders did in 2016. yardwork Apr 2019 #95

I know. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #96

I saw here a Sanders supporter say he likes how it pisses off us Democrats that he wont Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #104

From what I see in the post, it says they are undecided. Please stop blaming Sandard supporters for vsrazdem Apr 2019 #201

I guess everyone forgot how nasty it was in 2008. This is mild compared to that. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #204

Yes old shit... scorched earth tactics. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #98

Yes. It's a regurgitation of the same story/discussion from a couple of months ago... George II Apr 2019 #118

Yes they are. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #120

It isn't so much Sanders as his surrogates and supporters namahage Apr 2019 #132

The problem I have is we know that Sirota lied about working for the campaign Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #143

Every candidate should release at least their 10 most recent tax returns first. lapucelle Apr 2019 #79

In the interest of transparency every candidate should release their tax returns njhoneybadger Apr 2019 #108

$50,000 for travel allowance, where is Michigan located again? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #7

So using documents released by a group hostile to Democrats. namahage Apr 2019 #8

It's not a question of who released any documents, the only questions should be is the information Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #9

So the NYT isn't part of the corporate media conglomerate today? betsuni Apr 2019 #30

No it's not. Here is the definition of a corporate media conglomerate and the six that control 90% Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #31

ZIIIINNNG!! So now the NYT is the ENEMY for reporting facts in the interest of full transparency?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #56

If Bernie gave a paid speech it would be illegal. betsuni Apr 2019 #59

If Bernie, in the exact same position as Joe, as a private citizen, gave that same paid speech... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #63

... betsuni Apr 2019 #64

Yeah, didn't think so. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #66

Didn't think what? betsuni Apr 2019 #67

Yeah I didn't think anyone would buy that strawman either. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #73

He is a senator and can't give a paid speech. These tactics will only hurt your candidate. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86

Nice try... you know EXACTLY what my point was (and made even clearer above in post #63). InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #89

I don't see it that way. There are many more Posts attacking other candidates here. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #93

The point is to defeat Trump in the general election. This forum concerns the Democratic primaries. Demit Apr 2019 #109

It should not be a scorched earth debacle that leaves no one Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #112

Suppressing argument now, in the primaries, won't make any candidate stronger. Demit Apr 2019 #126

Discussing issues is fine but the attacks on Beto and Biden both by Sanders supporters are Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #138

Go back and look at truly divisive primaries, we lose the general. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #144

I agree with you!! 100%!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #113

So hoping that we are not left with a candidate Trump can beat because of attacks Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #125

Primaries are "divisive" by definition. They exist to examine candidates' strengths AND weaknesses. Demit Apr 2019 #130

Nonsense. That is an excuse. No candidate should attack Democrats in the primary. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #137

What I'm saying is not nonsense. It is a different viewpoint from yours. Demit Apr 2019 #149

Unless, of course, that candidate is Bernie... then it's "open season"!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #172

Again playing the victim, he isn't attacked. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #192

There were plenty of scorched earth tactics in the 2008 primary, people have just forgotten how vsrazdem Apr 2019 #202

Could.not.agree.more!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #170

If only what you're saying applied to Bernie, the most bashed of all the Democratic candidates. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #111

That is simply untrue. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #116

Do you know anything about that event or what Biden might have done with the money? George II Apr 2019 #162

A tweet like this would live forever melman Apr 2019 #168

Want me to pull up everything that Sanders did against Democrats and Democratic candidates? George II Apr 2019 #174

You do realize that this proves my point melman Apr 2019 #177

What point is that? George II Apr 2019 #183

lol melman Apr 2019 #184

$50,000 for travel allowance!? workinclasszero Apr 2019 #11

From the Vermont Newspaper. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #28

IOKIYBS BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #34

From the Vermont Newspaper Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #36

I believe his son had just died Control-Z Apr 2019 #43

Joe's son died in 2015, this speech took place last fall, three weeks before the election. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #44

Wow, close one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #57

It was about sponsoring cancer research. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #145

Yes for $200,000.00 Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #147

You don't think he gave a big chunk of that to the American Cancer Society? George II Apr 2019 #180

Perhaps. It's one of those Schrodinger cat things, but why take any fee? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #181

Daddy, can we take the kids along on your "work trip"? namahage Apr 2019 #133

Does he still have Secret Service protection? treestar Apr 2019 #100

We know it wasn't a chartered Delta 767. lapucelle Apr 2019 #196

It's not like he spent $613,451 chartering a Delta 767 for a 24-hour whirlwind publicity tour. lapucelle Apr 2019 #186

Now just imagine if it was Bernie Sanders instead of Joe Biden workinclasszero Apr 2019 #10

Incredible isn't it? melman Apr 2019 #15

Totally amazing for sure workinclasszero Apr 2019 #17

Not the less bit surprising though!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #51

No, question, Bernie would be bashed endlessly!! Look how he's been unfairly treated InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #16

... sheshe2 Apr 2019 #29

But that's DIFFERENT! namahage Apr 2019 #135

+1 shanny Apr 2019 #39

Sanders the perpetual victim? I don't see it. I see a scorched earth campaign by Sanders Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #88

Oh I'm sorry workinclasszero Apr 2019 #106

2016...words coronation. There is a difference between making your case and scorched earth... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #110

Oh and you have it wrong. Sanders is not owed the nomination and cheated if he fails Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #115

"Biden called him a champion in the fight against cancer" ucrdem Apr 2019 #19

So you are saying that if Bernie Sanders gave that speech and helped get a republican elected workinclasszero Apr 2019 #20

. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #21

Yes, the standard would be different. ucrdem Apr 2019 #25

"Yes, the standard would be different." workinclasszero Apr 2019 #26

If Bernie had a decorated veteran son die of cancer BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #35

Yeeeahhhhh riiiiiiight!! This is why we need full transparency... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #53

You keep using that word... MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #139

Not at all... transparency and patience are NOT mutually exclusive. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #140

Roflmfao. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #141

Ditto! K&R (n/t) corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #187

Gee, where have we heard this line of attack before? ecstatic Apr 2019 #22

Looks as if Biden is getting "Hillary boated" before he enters the race. nt oasis Apr 2019 #24

I think it already is bernie's Strategy...,kinda like his stump speech, it never changes Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #33

That's a new complaint, He's not a windsock. dogman Apr 2019 #150

Really? ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #23

Is someone jealous BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #37

so corporations, millionaires and billionaires shanny Apr 2019 #41

Well, considering Senator Sanders is a millionaire, KitSileya Apr 2019 #48

That's so true. Skidmore Apr 2019 #103

Yep. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #122

lol shanny Apr 2019 #129

FUCK the 1%-ers... that's Bernie's message!!!! Think I'll go with THAT one!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #54

Not surprising they wouldn't want shanny Apr 2019 #75

It's no longer surprising what some are willing to let their favorite candidate get away with... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #82

Wait , you actually ...never mind Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #105

Yeah!!! namahage Apr 2019 #136

wow BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #155

Others won't. That s the problem. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #146

Who's Tharp?! haha... seriously though, don't care what others think about that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #153

He's not railing against millionaires anymore. Wonder why? redstateblues Apr 2019 #152

Great observation nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #154

Bernie has not altered his message of having the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #157

It sure does! Bernie's consistency on this issue is a model for what we should expect InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #164

According to the Herald-Palladium, Biden calls for bipartisanship and civility in the speech. betsuni Apr 2019 #45

You appear to have missed some important details melman Apr 2019 #46

How do you know the Upton remark had anything to do with Upton's win? betsuni Apr 2019 #47

lol fail ! stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #49

This is another Joe Biden hit job! democratisphere Apr 2019 #52

Riiiiiight!! The truth, in the interest of full transparency, is now a "hit job"?! OOOOOKAY!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #65

So where are Sanders "transparent tax returns". democratisphere Apr 2019 #68

Don't worry, they're coming. I have ZERO doubt Bernie will live up to his commitments. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #69

Sorry, I put Zero faith in your ZERO doubt. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #74

InA, only in today's sick political climate COULD speaking to Hortensis Apr 2019 #83

Did you even read the NYT article?! Maybe you should take your complaint up with THEM!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #87

I have a permanent NYT subscription, so I KNOW which Hortensis Apr 2019 #90

Well, since you have a permanent subscription to the NYT, you obviously find its reporting credible. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

Then why does this forum exist? Is it not to compare candidates before voting for one? Demit Apr 2019 #119

Its called vetting. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #203

Go with this, and let's see how that works out. He said a nice thing about the work Upton did on still_one Apr 2019 #55

I think it's terribly offensive and cheap to politicize cancer. betsuni Apr 2019 #61

I agree, and I think the American public does too still_one Apr 2019 #62

How did that "but her speeches" "but her emails" shit work out last time? MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #70

+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #71

It worked well last time, as intended. Mission accomplished. yardwork Apr 2019 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #81

Helping a Republican beat a Democrat in a recent election is worth repeating. Snotcicles Apr 2019 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #92

Read the article. He did NOT help a republican beat a Democrat. It wasn't a political event... George II Apr 2019 #169

So, what was the topic of his speech? MineralMan Apr 2019 #99

All that matters to them is Bash BASH BASH Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #107

Yes. That's clear. MineralMan Apr 2019 #127

Weird though, I would have thought f there was ONE place on the internet we would Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #128

Reminds me of times past, it does. MineralMan Apr 2019 #188

The topic of the speech is not relevant melman Apr 2019 #171

Yeah, one of seven reasons I won't vote for him. sfwriter Apr 2019 #114

I don't think they know who Fred Upton is or the damage he has done to working people. nt Snotcicles Apr 2019 #124

Wasn't this discussed ad nauseum back when he made that speech? Will we be seeing this.... George II Apr 2019 #117

Yes it was. It was about the cancer research. R B Garr Apr 2019 #123

Well, that post worked out quite well, didn't it? Keep trying - better luck next time. NBachers Apr 2019 #121

We can get into one 2016 candidates supporters helping Trump by voting for Stein. RandySF Apr 2019 #148

Three top members of that candidate's campaign voted for Stein. George II Apr 2019 #158

It would behoove people to realize melman Apr 2019 #167

Then what was the reason for the event? Two things: George II Apr 2019 #173

I don't need to read it again melman Apr 2019 #175

Sorry, you missed both points and, if I was in a bad mood I'd say you "lied" about what I said. George II Apr 2019 #176

No I didn't melman Apr 2019 #182

LOL, thread win. Having staff that voted third party equals R B Garr Apr 2019 #191

Joe lost a son to cancer.... pbmus Apr 2019 #151

Did you bother to actually READ the article to see why Biden spoke at that non-campaign event? George II Apr 2019 #159

No snowybirdie Apr 2019 #189

Exactly, I'm sure we'll be seeing it three or four more times between now and next February. George II Apr 2019 #190

Just a tool to attack....BIDEN IS WINNING! Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #193

Isn't this article old news? snowybirdie Apr 2019 #178

The speech was not several years ago melman Apr 2019 #179

I'm not going to put this on my list of things to worry about EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #185

Needs to be read again. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #198

Moving this up. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #199

Read sheshe2 Apr 2019 #200