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43. I don't have anymore than Sanders does, but I haven't been pushing MFA for 5yrs and had 5yrs to...
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:02 AM
Feb 2020

figure it out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
M4A won't crash the system. The system's already in place. ancianita Feb 2020 #1
If it's implemented the way it's been proposed, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.... George II Feb 2020 #2
Only private health insurance admins and their immediate personnel layers. ancianita Feb 2020 #6
All those thousands that I'm talking about work for the private insurance companies. If Sanders.... George II Feb 2020 #7
I already said, and comparing health to jobs is NOT silly. It's silly to even bring up the few who'l ancianita Feb 2020 #10
But there are other ways to provide insurance to those 20+ million without throwing thousands... George II Feb 2020 #11
So, people dying because they can't afford care Bettie Feb 2020 #14
Nobody said that! We have insurance plans in place for ALL Americans. But some here.... George II Feb 2020 #18
The insurance plans for "everyone" Bettie Feb 2020 #19
I suppose if you rely on that job to provide food and shelter it might be. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #33
I don't like either side of that argument Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #56
Actually, the system is NOT in place to cover 100% of the population under Medicare. stopbush Feb 2020 #5
The tax structure is in place. All Internet and server systems are in place. Top regional providers ancianita Feb 2020 #9
The tax structure that is in place will not work for MFA. stopbush Feb 2020 #12
Medicare isn't paid into, it's Social Security that's paid into by employers. And it still will be. ancianita Feb 2020 #15
Er, they are both paid into. It would help if you knew the facts. stopbush Feb 2020 #17
Never paid into Medicare from my check for 36 years. I'm surprised it's done. Thanks for the info. ancianita Feb 2020 #21
Sure you did. It's listed as FICA on your paystub. stopbush Feb 2020 #23
Nope. No FICA allowed for Chicago teachers. They deny Soc Sec to us b/c we have a pension. ancianita Feb 2020 #25
Ah ha, you are the union pension exception. stopbush Feb 2020 #27
Regardless, here are two things that we can be sure will happen, employee deductions or not. ancianita Feb 2020 #32
Wrong. There is 7.5% payroll tax. R B Garr Feb 2020 #46
Please explain the payroll tax. How would that be part of M4A? ancianita Feb 2020 #47
May I ask, did you not know that part of it? R B Garr Feb 2020 #49
Sure. It's federal and state income tax withholding. So how am I "wrong." You just give the process ancianita Feb 2020 #50
It's a 7.5% payroll tax. It's interesting how that is R B Garr Feb 2020 #51
So, do you think the entirety of benefits of M4A are outweighed by employer-employee one-time ancianita Feb 2020 #52
It's a 7.5% payroll tax. When did phase-in turn to R B Garr Feb 2020 #55
I see. Thank you. That seems simple enough for an elevator pitch when you put it that way. ancianita Feb 2020 #57
As opposed to five (5) years of campaigning for R B Garr Feb 2020 #59
Be honest. It's only "glaring" because none of the anti-M4A's have brought this up before you. ancianita Feb 2020 #60
No one in support of the OP until you. No one for the months we've been discussing it. If I'm wrong, ancianita Feb 2020 #61
"Be honest." Oh, you too. Talking about what's R B Garr Feb 2020 #63
No insult intended at all. What I discussed you called a "glaring example." Pretty offensive to me, ancianita Feb 2020 #64
... R B Garr Feb 2020 #65
... ancianita Feb 2020 #67
The payroll tax is for individuals, out of their paychecks. R B Garr Feb 2020 #68
Either way, it's sorted out w/ W-2's at tax time. ancianita Feb 2020 #69
W-2's don't change the deduction %. They just R B Garr Feb 2020 #70
If taxes get raised a bit to help pay for M4A, they will. Which will cost less out of pocket than ancianita Feb 2020 #71
It's a payroll tax. A 7.5% payroll tax. You are changing R B Garr Feb 2020 #72
There is no point in arguing with some people Bettie Feb 2020 #20
I'm with you. Especially because it really IS affordable and doable. ancianita Feb 2020 #22
If every other first world nation can do it Bettie Feb 2020 #24
Exactly. Young people aren't going for the ol' corporate bamboozle on how "important" the ancianita Feb 2020 #26
Some of those European countries have mixed systems with private insurance. delisen Feb 2020 #58
Wrong. There is a 7.5% payroll tax. For people with great R B Garr Feb 2020 #48
Medicare also only pays 80% so the other 20% has to come from somewhere. brush Feb 2020 #29
All Medicare recipients right now pay for supplemental. That's 55 million people. So, when ancianita Feb 2020 #30
Well that clears that up for everybody. brush Feb 2020 #40
Your cynicism is noted. If you seriously don't think that clears it up, then what've YOU got. ancianita Feb 2020 #41
I don't have anymore than Sanders does, but I haven't been pushing MFA for 5yrs and had 5yrs to... brush Feb 2020 #43
These guys have pushed it for 37 years. Long before Sanders. They're not political. https://pnhp.org ancianita Feb 2020 #45
You are 100% CORRECT Proud Veteran Feb 2020 #3
Just the opposite. Jirel Feb 2020 #4
+1 n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #37
Other people passionately hate it jmowreader Feb 2020 #39
It WILL let people keep their plans for any reason whatsoever. M4A is for ALL who need/want it. ancianita Feb 2020 #42
Medicare for all is mandatory Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #53
I hear you. You propose the public option that's already been bashed by private insurer PR, right? ancianita Feb 2020 #54
What voters get depends on where they are Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #62
Cool. Gonna vote for who I want to win. David__77 Feb 2020 #8
Is that the polling in the swing states? Do you have those results re: M4A "that matter"? jmg257 Feb 2020 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #16
Billions spent by the healthcare industries to achieve this result. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #28
And is the Insurance industry going to just roll over and die Moderateguy Feb 2020 #31
Also HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #34
Because their healthcare coverage is also based on the whims of their employer. earthside Feb 2020 #35
If your job/career is in the industry I doubt many will see it that way. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #36
Many Americans already die every year due to lack of access to healthcare. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #73
You tell us to look at the polling but provide no polls Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #38
I imagine there's room for some of them at CMS democrattotheend Feb 2020 #44
No. It is not Tweedy Feb 2020 #66
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