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ancianita

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54. I hear you. You propose the public option that's already been bashed by private insurer PR, right?

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:21 AM

Feb 2020

We don't lose ACA and pre-existing conditions under M4A because "pre-existing" is rolled into it, and the ACA details are part of it -- except for "plan" categories.

We're trying here, I thought, to know what is the most important issue for Americans besides "beat Trump." I'm not sure that this can be the nominee's lead, when put this way.

The ACA was supposed to be the gateway law toward the public option, as I understood the plan at the time.

Still, if the nominee repeats what you're proposing, the public option, I'm not sure the public could "get" the public option, which was divisive even within our own ranks since before the ACA was made law.

Doesn't mean it's not realistic or good, though. It is. I'm just suggesting that it's a hard sell because it requires more thought than M4A for voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Medicare for All is a fatal loser in the general election [View all] EveHammond13 Feb 2020 OP

M4A won't crash the system. The system's already in place. ancianita Feb 2020 #1

If it's implemented the way it's been proposed, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.... George II Feb 2020 #2

Only private health insurance admins and their immediate personnel layers. ancianita Feb 2020 #6

All those thousands that I'm talking about work for the private insurance companies. If Sanders.... George II Feb 2020 #7

I already said, and comparing health to jobs is NOT silly. It's silly to even bring up the few who'l ancianita Feb 2020 #10

But there are other ways to provide insurance to those 20+ million without throwing thousands... George II Feb 2020 #11

So, people dying because they can't afford care Bettie Feb 2020 #14

Nobody said that! We have insurance plans in place for ALL Americans. But some here.... George II Feb 2020 #18

The insurance plans for "everyone" Bettie Feb 2020 #19

I suppose if you rely on that job to provide food and shelter it might be. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #33

I don't like either side of that argument Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #56

Actually, the system is NOT in place to cover 100% of the population under Medicare. stopbush Feb 2020 #5

The tax structure is in place. All Internet and server systems are in place. Top regional providers ancianita Feb 2020 #9

The tax structure that is in place will not work for MFA. stopbush Feb 2020 #12

Medicare isn't paid into, it's Social Security that's paid into by employers. And it still will be. ancianita Feb 2020 #15

Er, they are both paid into. It would help if you knew the facts. stopbush Feb 2020 #17

Never paid into Medicare from my check for 36 years. I'm surprised it's done. Thanks for the info. ancianita Feb 2020 #21

Sure you did. It's listed as FICA on your paystub. stopbush Feb 2020 #23

Nope. No FICA allowed for Chicago teachers. They deny Soc Sec to us b/c we have a pension. ancianita Feb 2020 #25

Ah ha, you are the union pension exception. stopbush Feb 2020 #27

Regardless, here are two things that we can be sure will happen, employee deductions or not. ancianita Feb 2020 #32

Wrong. There is 7.5% payroll tax. R B Garr Feb 2020 #46

Please explain the payroll tax. How would that be part of M4A? ancianita Feb 2020 #47

May I ask, did you not know that part of it? R B Garr Feb 2020 #49

Sure. It's federal and state income tax withholding. So how am I "wrong." You just give the process ancianita Feb 2020 #50

It's a 7.5% payroll tax. It's interesting how that is R B Garr Feb 2020 #51

So, do you think the entirety of benefits of M4A are outweighed by employer-employee one-time ancianita Feb 2020 #52

It's a 7.5% payroll tax. When did phase-in turn to R B Garr Feb 2020 #55

I see. Thank you. That seems simple enough for an elevator pitch when you put it that way. ancianita Feb 2020 #57

As opposed to five (5) years of campaigning for R B Garr Feb 2020 #59

Be honest. It's only "glaring" because none of the anti-M4A's have brought this up before you. ancianita Feb 2020 #60

No one in support of the OP until you. No one for the months we've been discussing it. If I'm wrong, ancianita Feb 2020 #61

"Be honest." Oh, you too. Talking about what's R B Garr Feb 2020 #63

No insult intended at all. What I discussed you called a "glaring example." Pretty offensive to me, ancianita Feb 2020 #64

... R B Garr Feb 2020 #65

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The payroll tax is for individuals, out of their paychecks. R B Garr Feb 2020 #68

Either way, it's sorted out w/ W-2's at tax time. ancianita Feb 2020 #69

W-2's don't change the deduction %. They just R B Garr Feb 2020 #70

If taxes get raised a bit to help pay for M4A, they will. Which will cost less out of pocket than ancianita Feb 2020 #71

It's a payroll tax. A 7.5% payroll tax. You are changing R B Garr Feb 2020 #72

There is no point in arguing with some people Bettie Feb 2020 #20

I'm with you. Especially because it really IS affordable and doable. ancianita Feb 2020 #22

If every other first world nation can do it Bettie Feb 2020 #24

Exactly. Young people aren't going for the ol' corporate bamboozle on how "important" the ancianita Feb 2020 #26

Some of those European countries have mixed systems with private insurance. delisen Feb 2020 #58

Wrong. There is a 7.5% payroll tax. For people with great R B Garr Feb 2020 #48

Medicare also only pays 80% so the other 20% has to come from somewhere. brush Feb 2020 #29

All Medicare recipients right now pay for supplemental. That's 55 million people. So, when ancianita Feb 2020 #30

Well that clears that up for everybody. brush Feb 2020 #40

Your cynicism is noted. If you seriously don't think that clears it up, then what've YOU got. ancianita Feb 2020 #41

I don't have anymore than Sanders does, but I haven't been pushing MFA for 5yrs and had 5yrs to... brush Feb 2020 #43

These guys have pushed it for 37 years. Long before Sanders. They're not political. https://pnhp.org ancianita Feb 2020 #45

You are 100% CORRECT Proud Veteran Feb 2020 #3

Just the opposite. Jirel Feb 2020 #4

+1 n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #37

Other people passionately hate it jmowreader Feb 2020 #39

It WILL let people keep their plans for any reason whatsoever. M4A is for ALL who need/want it. ancianita Feb 2020 #42

Medicare for all is mandatory Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #53

I hear you. You propose the public option that's already been bashed by private insurer PR, right? ancianita Feb 2020 #54

What voters get depends on where they are Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #62

Cool. Gonna vote for who I want to win. David__77 Feb 2020 #8

Is that the polling in the swing states? Do you have those results re: M4A "that matter"? jmg257 Feb 2020 #13

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #16

Billions spent by the healthcare industries to achieve this result. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #28

And is the Insurance industry going to just roll over and die Moderateguy Feb 2020 #31

Also HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #34

Because their healthcare coverage is also based on the whims of their employer. earthside Feb 2020 #35

If your job/career is in the industry I doubt many will see it that way. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #36

Many Americans already die every year due to lack of access to healthcare. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #73

You tell us to look at the polling but provide no polls Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #38

I imagine there's room for some of them at CMS democrattotheend Feb 2020 #44

No. It is not Tweedy Feb 2020 #66