Democratic Primaries

louis c

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163. Here's what I'm sure of...

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 06:03 PM

Apr 2019

...either the polls change, or they don't.

But Elizabeth Warren won't ever break double digits.

I worked on her two campaigns in Massachusetts for Senator. She's a great Senator. But if you think for a minute she can connect with swing voters, you're sadly mistaken.

Her numbers in 2018 against a nobody, we're worse in Massachusetts than Hillary's were in 2016. You know what that tells me? Liz is less likable than Hillary to Massachusetts voters. We'll need a miracle to carry Penn, Mich, Ohio, Wisc, and/or Fla with her at the top of the ticket.

Can I see numbers changing? I sure can. If Biden tanks, Kamala is my second choice. But the polls do matter and I expect them to change, but it could be in any direction. But Warren at 7%, come on, that tells us something.

My prediction is that she gets slaughtered in Iowa and NH and she's out before SC.

My advice to you is start looking for a second choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Please tell me why I shouldn't be offended. [View all] louis c Apr 2019 OP

I see no difference. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #1

I guess you/we have the 'right' to be offended, elleng Apr 2019 #2

My thought until I thought. Maybe we should make those inclined Hortensis Apr 2019 #110

Especially since Joe is the most qualified both nationally and globally. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #3

I don't think being a former Vice President makes him more qualified pnwmom Apr 2019 #29

Have to agree. plimsoll Apr 2019 #50

He's the most qualified. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #51

From a pure logic perspective. plimsoll Apr 2019 #54

I surely can defend my position. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #67

Good bye. plimsoll Apr 2019 #70

The man was in the Senate longer paleotn Apr 2019 #157

He's qualified no doubt. plimsoll Apr 2019 #165

The world didn't know it would want Obama till he become President. pnwmom Apr 2019 #57

Who said anyone isn't falling in love with the other candidates LakeArenal Apr 2019 #68

I like Inslee. I don't think he has a chance to win. I wouldn't send him money. redstateblues Apr 2019 #79

I'll admit to some parochial attachment. plimsoll Apr 2019 #113

Wow, Inslee as head of the Environmental Protection Agency - yes, he would be great at that! FM123 Apr 2019 #126

I partly disagree. I do think Inslee can win. Qutzupalotl Apr 2019 #141

Between Inslee and Biden? No question... Inslee is more qualified and has no baggage. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #52

Hey Bernie-Tax returns please. Stop playing the "run out the clock" strategy that has worked for redstateblues Apr 2019 #78

His connections on the international scale. GemDigger Apr 2019 #71

Neither Obama nor Biden had those connections before Obama's Presidency pnwmom Apr 2019 #72

We weren't in turmoil then. We are now. Joe already KNOWS them. GemDigger Apr 2019 #73

Yes, we WERE in turmoil in 2008. We were on the edge of a second worldwide Great Depression. pnwmom Apr 2019 #75

I am not talking the stuff of 2008 I am talking the specific damage tump has done between GemDigger Apr 2019 #84

Biden is NOT the only Democrat the world would welcome. We have several pnwmom Apr 2019 #88

I cannot explain myself any better. GemDigger Apr 2019 #89

What we were not in 2008 was close to the possibility of a nutjob getting us into WW III GemDigger Apr 2019 #85

Obama didn't have foreign connections, but Biden did. nsd Apr 2019 #169

Obama picked Biden to balance the ticket and to get the all-important white-male voters pnwmom Apr 2019 #170

How do you know that? nsd Apr 2019 #172

Because Hillary doesn't engage in inappropriate nuzzling with foreign leaders, for one thing. pnwmom Apr 2019 #174

+1. He's ahead nationally. If we fall into trump trap, shame on us. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #33

He's just got more name recognition, and reflected glory from Obama. pnwmom Apr 2019 #76

May be. It's all about the numbers. Trump approval Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #83

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #4

Been married snowybirdie Apr 2019 #5

I have one of those at home too Peacetrain Apr 2019 #48

I'm not so much offended as irritated at the ageism. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6

I agree with you completely, TVO. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #12

You have Skidmore Apr 2019 #23

Love you, Skidmore. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #40

I agree with these two posts blm Apr 2019 #31

you should be... handmade34 Apr 2019 #7

There's a different but you are right to be offended. rogue emissary Apr 2019 #8

As a Democrat, I supported a black guy and a woman in the last 3 elections... louis c Apr 2019 #11

and how many "old white men" have you voted for? rogue emissary Apr 2019 #13

Let's see... louis c Apr 2019 #131

I keep having to say this, I agree it's wrong to rule him out on race, age or gender. rogue emissary Apr 2019 #205

no, not in the Democratic primary... louis c Apr 2019 #206

Not a leader BurntPickle Apr 2019 #9

Well, experience matters... louis c Apr 2019 #10

Yes, especially now. Butterflylady Apr 2019 #42

"Anti-integration?" How so? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #179

Here's the Buddhist perspective on why you shouldn't be offended vlyons Apr 2019 #14

First Nations in North America cast that as "Feed the good wolf". Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #20

It is so fitting to be called "First Nations" peacebuzzard Apr 2019 #151

Thanks. Want to read over and over again. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #74

Nice post eom peacebuzzard Apr 2019 #150

Well done. n/t demmiblue Apr 2019 #204

I'm a but offended too, but ... Odoreida Apr 2019 #15

are you trying to say "all lives matter"? unblock Apr 2019 #16

I'm a 68 year old white guy. Turbineguy Apr 2019 #17

The ageism on DU amazes me. Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #18

No two prejudices are alike, each has it's own parameters. marylandblue Apr 2019 #38

It's easier to be prejudiced against groups who are seen as powerful Clash City Rocker Apr 2019 #59

I'm sick and tired of RepubliCON white guys running for President. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #19

I'm Older Than You and I Think Both Biden and Sanders Are WAY too Old DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #21

I'm, also, older then the OP and will vote for whomever has the D. Tikki Apr 2019 #25

Old people are more likely to die, suddenly. warmfeet Apr 2019 #22

Not just that, but decline can be sudden. And swift. Demit Apr 2019 #135

I see it too. Ageism is destructive.If I were to choose Biden it would be because of his experience. 58Sunliner Apr 2019 #24

It's not that he's old wsbradshaw Apr 2019 #26

You're welcome to be offended...and I don't care if you are. brooklynite Apr 2019 #27

Looking for "Different" Roy Rolling Apr 2019 #94

Kind of rude. And odd since you are supporting an old white man Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #140

Hickenlooper is 67 brooklynite Apr 2019 #167

You have a limited perspective. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #181

I like Biden. He's my third favorite, after Beto first and Mayor Pete second. ananda Apr 2019 #28

I'm in my early 60's and sellitman Apr 2019 #30

I'm offended so I can't tell you not to be. Progressive dog Apr 2019 #32

Agree... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #34

another old (68) white woman pamdb Apr 2019 #35

Yet Konrad Adenauer built the future of modern Germany as the oldest delisen Apr 2019 #96

A little older than you and I safeinOhio Apr 2019 #36

Have to say - he's growing on me. dhol82 Apr 2019 #37

I don't blame you. The reality is whoever gets the nomination, we need to back them. Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #39

Ronald Reagan was our oldest President, at 69, and many of us remember pnwmom Apr 2019 #41

Alzheeimers is just one of a massive constellation loyalsister Apr 2019 #90

I'll tell you why you shouldn't be offended (maybe?). moreland01 Apr 2019 #43

I think some folks are just venting when they say stuff like that. But I get what you are saying. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #44

That's the kind of false equivalence that one finds in alt-right forums Tarc Apr 2019 #47

It's not a false equivalence. It does not sound nice to say I'm not voting for an old white guy UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #49

"Just as it wouldn't be right to say" Tarc Apr 2019 #102

As a woman who's been a lifelong Democrat, I think you have every right to be offended. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #45

just so long as we can beat prima donnie. i only want somebody who can speak to the morons who went pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #46

You don't vote for someone because you don't agree on the issues, fine, but because of age, that is still_one Apr 2019 #53

What about nominating Carter? He's eligible. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #55

Here's the facts louis c Apr 2019 #106

No, YOUR reasoning is for "losers". maxsolomon Apr 2019 #197

Obama was elected because the Rpublican Economy melted down louis c Apr 2019 #201

Good point. Gotta add: Diversity *includes* old white guys, too. n/t Beartracks Apr 2019 #56

We currently have an old white guy as President. Are you happy? TeamPooka Apr 2019 #58

Simplistic bullshit. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #99

Let's see if we can win an election for President by insulting and dismissing... louis c Apr 2019 #104

So all old white guys are Trump in your world? SMC22307 Apr 2019 #118

Biden is ... 76 CloudWatcher Apr 2019 #60

I don't think he wants 8 years. He didn't even say he wants 4 years yet. GemDigger Apr 2019 #82

Welcome to Team Sanders Lordquinton Apr 2019 #61

I'm also an old white guy and solid Democrat SCantiGOP Apr 2019 #62

As another old white guy I choose to NOT be offended and see a deeper meaning. bitterross Apr 2019 #63

Take look at pictures of Congress even during the Obama administration: thats why ... marble falls Apr 2019 #64

Please do not forget that Congress is stuffed to the gills with millionaires too... Moostache Apr 2019 #203

Or lawyers, dentists and insurance agents - what I read some time ago make up the ... marble falls Apr 2019 #207

AMEN! Moostache Apr 2019 #208

99% of DUers think Nancy's the greatest leader for Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #65

Thank You for the Reminder! aka-chmeee Apr 2019 #130

I worked for and voted for Sen Shelby and then the Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #137

You are correct sir BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #66

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #69

I hope all of us will be more careful and polite when discussing these things. ecstatic Apr 2019 #77

I feel like under almost any other circumstance, as an old white guy, hughee99 Apr 2019 #80

Hmmmmmm...... Socal31 Apr 2019 #95

It's not contradictory at all. hughee99 Apr 2019 #139

I wouldn't tell you not to be offended. David__77 Apr 2019 #81

Biden / Harris world wide wally Apr 2019 #86

I think a lot of people who use those words "old white guy" bernie59 Apr 2019 #87

Biden is a bit old for me. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #91

I think throwing away the advantage of incumbency is lunacy. Demit Apr 2019 #136

I think the plan is to promote the VP. So 3 terms Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #189

I know. But a VP getting elected is a higher hurdle than a Prez getting reelected. Demit Apr 2019 #191

Good points. It's not ideal. But, I can envision it Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #192

Well, you're talking about the campaign, but keep in mind the four years that come after. Demit Apr 2019 #195

Well, hope he doesn't strategize too much more..there Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #196

I totally agree with you, Louis. I'm an older white woman. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #92

NAIL ON THE HEAD stevesinpa Apr 2019 #93

Maybe because no 'old' Democrat has kicked the Republicans out of the Whitehouse crazytown Apr 2019 #97

Are you talking about Woodrow Wilson? Wednesdays Apr 2019 #144

Yes! Cleveland first time round 47 crazytown Apr 2019 #164

There is no difference. It's bigotry. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #98

Ok, you should not be offended, because you are not yet "old". JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #100

Amen Gothmog Apr 2019 #101

Because it's the same disingenuous offense Republicans oft use. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #103

Your reasoning will make us lose louis c Apr 2019 #109

I would like a candidate who can reasonably be expected to be Pres for 8 years - not a 4 yr seaglass Apr 2019 #105

How about we just beat Trump and worry about all the other bullshit later. louis c Apr 2019 #108

Well if that isn't the dumbest question I have ever been asked. YOU may be convinced that Biden seaglass Apr 2019 #111

Here's what's dumb... louis c Apr 2019 #134

No need to get nasty. You can believe polls won't change from now to the election if seaglass Apr 2019 #145

Here's what I'm sure of... louis c Apr 2019 #163

Wow, you are just full of unnecessary advice. First, I am from MA so you don't need to school me seaglass Apr 2019 #166

I am very chilled... louis c Apr 2019 #175

So your argument is... BoB? Lancero Apr 2019 #112

I can't. I have no problem with old(er) white men for prez - Inslee 2020 K & R nt Persondem Apr 2019 #107

Because not having a female President qazplm135 Apr 2019 #114

It's not that simple for a job like president IluvPitties Apr 2019 #115

Fuck that qazplm135 Apr 2019 #116

Whoever people on our side think is the best IluvPitties Apr 2019 #120

It's disqualified women qazplm135 Apr 2019 #122

I like all of our candidates, including Harris. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #124

Not about liking qazplm135 Apr 2019 #127

Ridiculous. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #119

So you have a time travel device qazplm135 Apr 2019 #121

I do my research and vote for who I think the best candidate is. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #143

what's news to me qazplm135 Apr 2019 #146

OK, no guys period. What matters most is electing a woman, got it. So consider this hypothetical: Still In Wisconsin Apr 2019 #159

The "old" part is definitely offensive. McCamy Taylor Apr 2019 #117

You sound like my Uncle. OhZone Apr 2019 #123

This old white woman agrees. NellieStarbuck Apr 2019 #125

I can honestly tell you - cab67 Apr 2019 #128

that's bullshit....whomever is saying this against Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #129

Why Does It Matter So Much to You? yellowwoodII Apr 2019 #132

Are you living under a rock? louis c Apr 2019 #133

It's a thought ending bias and divisive. Aaron Pereira Apr 2019 #138

I hear you. I'm an older white guy too. PatrickforO Apr 2019 #142

Ironic then that the younger generations have and still overwhelmingly support the oldest candidate Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #147

Maybe Sanders inoculated himself by being out of sync with the other old white guys? marylandblue Apr 2019 #155

I believe you are correct marylandblue. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #156

+1000! Wow. Kind of Blue Apr 2019 #152

I like Pete as well and believe him to be an excellent candidate. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #153

Hell, go on and be offended PDittie Apr 2019 #148

Nobody here is not going to vote for the nominee, regardless of that person's race or age. Kaleva Apr 2019 #149

But, it's how we talk to swing voters... louis c Apr 2019 #161

I came of age to vote in 1991 JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #154

Really? WestCoastDem42 Apr 2019 #158

Great strategy.... louis c Apr 2019 #160

Nothing wrong with a white male and/or a woman or POC on the ticket. brush Apr 2019 #162

There is no difference madville Apr 2019 #168

I'm not white and I'm offended by the argument that white guys must be excluded. nsd Apr 2019 #171

#Notalloldwhitemen. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #173

Check you mail box... louis c Apr 2019 #176

And I tried so hard not to upset you Buzz cook Apr 2019 #182

There is only one issue in this election and it's winning. louis c Apr 2019 #183

In general I agree with you sentiment. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #184

FDR and Obama elections had something in common... louis c Apr 2019 #185

The poll at the top of my screen has Harris over Biden by 2 points. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #199

The poll everywhere esle has Biden ahead of Harris by about 20 points louis c Apr 2019 #200

You should NOT be offended. Chemisse Apr 2019 #177

youthful vigor is overcome by age and wisdom, we are about the same age and I kinda chuckle beachbum bob Apr 2019 #178

You see, I was brought up in a political age and I learned the hard way... louis c Apr 2019 #180

Maybe the Democratic base wants someone more like themselves this time... SidDithers Apr 2019 #186

Base voters don't win elections on either side... louis c Apr 2019 #187

The middle 10% will only vote for an old white guy?... SidDithers Apr 2019 #188

No. they will not vote for Sanders and the rtest are relativley unknown to this 10%... louis c Apr 2019 #193

Democrats beating Democrats does not create a mojority... louis c Apr 2019 #194

If you are truly "old," (e.g., as old as Biden will be), then you know ... LAS14 Apr 2019 #190

If you don't see a problem with the fact that we haven't had a woman president after 58 elections, athena Apr 2019 #198

I see now, if the orange man win in '20, l'll know who to blame. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #202